Men are welcome to do the same whenever they're ready, but for now a lot of men are just coping by crab bucketing this shit and bringing women back down.

Stop pretending like you know jack shit about men's issues.
It's only to/about men do you mfs say this type of shit.
"Oh, men are depressed and have insanely high suicide rate? Have they tried smiling more?"

Men are welcome to do the same whenever they're ready

We've been ready for a very long fucking time.
When will society be ready to actually fucking listen for once?
It's fuckin sad that the only people able to talk about men's issues are either fucking grifters (Andrew you know who) or aren't even men.
Just STFU with your copout bullshit.

[+] Apytele@sh.itjust.works 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

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[–] Rustmilian@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Case and point

[+] Apytele@sh.itjust.works 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

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[–] Rustmilian@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

did you really need to come say "not all men" to a comment that didn't even say "most?" Are you THAT insecure about the possibility that other men are unpleasant to women sometimes that you need to come and do this and keep replying and even draw pictures about it?

You didn't even read the argument. It's not about "not all men" , it's about your hyper-generalization and hypersimplification of men's issues and acting like there's a silver bullet solution that men are (implied) to lazy to do. Hence the "have they thought about smiling more" example, emphasizing the ridiculous copout response that solves nothing and actively hurts men. Which btw, is an actual IRL example.

We can ignore the fact that you are currently being the man being unpleasant to women for the moment if it makes your continued trolling easier.

You're literally a woman hyper generalizing and oversimplifying men's issues while being unpleasant to a man. Hypocrite.

[–] Shampiss@sh.itjust.works 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Hey, what's up with the tone my guy? Message me if you need to talk fr

Regarding the subject at hand,

Evidently women still have many issues coming from male dominant culture formed before the industrial revolution, there has been good progress but there's still a long path ahead.

Men have issues coming from cultural norms too. imo the biggest hindrance for men at the moment is not nearly enough people talk about men's mental health.

MOST IMPORTANT NOTE IS:

Promoting solutions for women doesn't mean ignoring men's issues.

Promoting awareness to men's issues is not against women's interests.

When someone is promoting progress, let's not jump to "there are bigger problems elsewhere"

If you want to promote change via debate, being aggressive is the worst strategy. Why not say "hey, I hear your argument for women, and on this note I'd also like to raise this other related subject about men's issues."

That's a win win conversation

[–] Hacksaw@lemmy.ca 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I'm generalizing here, but men's lib looks VERY different to women's lib. Women started from a position of very low power, liberation was nearly a continuous improvement for all but the most privileged women.

Men's lib requires first giving up a lot of patriarchal power before gaining the benefits of men's lib, which in my opinion far surpass those of patriarchal power. There are a lot of barriers to this. First, most "online" feminists talk only about giving up patriarchal power. This feels hostile to most men and has bolstered misogynist influencers like tate et al. Second real life men and women are typically both complicit as men in enforcing patriarchal views of what a man is supposed to be. You can see experiences of men crying or expressing real emotion in front their prospective significant others as a prime example of this. Third there is no easy to access popular description of the benefits to men of men's lib. There are great examples, but they aren't as culturally relevant as patriarchal influencers yet.

The path to men's lib is complex and has very different challenges than women's lib. I think we're getting there, but it's certainly a slow process and at this time I think the counter reaction is more prevalent and popular.