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[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

This is literally the position of the UN and pretty much every country including the US. The status of Taiwan is not in any way ambiguous. 77 years ago, China, the US & the UK issued the Potsdam Proclamation, resulting in the surrender of the Japanese Empire and reaffirming that all the territories, which included Taiwan, Japan has stolen from the Chinese. Nothing changed since then.

[–] Zerush@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

It reminds me too much of Russia-Ucraine and the danger that the same barbarity occurs to China. Taiwan may belong to China, but if the population does not want to conform to China's restrictive system and wants to become independent, it is their right to do so as a political decision, which must also be resolved through political means and not by military force. Subduing a population by military force can never be a way to solve these things and only shows the lack of political maturity on the part of the invader. This is an outdated reaction from other feudal times, of subjecting a population to force. Already independent of the consequences at the local level with this complex network of mutual dependencies on each other at the economic and mercantile level. In any case, I think that as the economy enters a recession, that is to say that the economic bubble bursts, worse if it iclude the US economy, always in history a world war was the consequence to 'make a Reset', pushed by certain groups in a personal interest.

See Klaus Schwab (World Economic Forum) - The Big Reset.

...Instead of corporations serving many stakeholders, in the multi-stakeholder model of global governance, corporations are promoted to being official stakeholders in global decision-making, while governments are relegated to being one of many stakeholders. In practice, corporations become the main stakeholders, while governments take a backseat role, and civil society is mainly window dressing.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This is a fallacious argument though because it ignores all the meddling US does in Taiwan. Back in 2014 there was a serious plan to resolve the problem. China offered Taiwan to have representatives in the mainland government, while keeping an independent military and local governance.

US ran a color revolution in Taiwan in response to that much the same way they ran one in Ukraine. US also spends billions propping up separatists in Taiwan, and has been meddling there since WW2.

Despite that, the sentiment among the people is starting to change, People are currently protesting Pelosi outside her hotel https://twitter.com/lixi_sui/status/1554496501975601154

What Taiwan independence means in practice is Taiwan being a puppet state of the US that it will use to undermine China and then sacrifice the way they did with Ukraine. Not sure how that's in the interest of people living there.

[–] Zerush@lemmy.ml -3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It will be seen, in any case, this matter gives me a very bad vibe.

[–] Catradora_Stalinism@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago

don't think it doesn't scare us as well

[–] Catradora_Stalinism@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago

Ucraine

not to be that person, but...

[–] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The polls for the people in Taiwan indicating they want to separate since then have changed. Taiwan is indisputably part of China from a legal perspective, but lots of Taiwanese want a referendum to get out.

[–] Catradora_Stalinism@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago

newsflash, the ROC government doesn't give a shit about those people

[–] linuxtube@lemmy.ml -5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

No, the position of the un and every other country is to support the status quo. You can call it one china but not the same country.

Taiwan is no more part of china than England is part of the united states.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That's factually wrong. The status quo that UN and vast majority of countries in the world recognize is that Taiwan is part of China. This is a plain fact.

[–] Zerush@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The status of Taiwan and China is quite complicated and it cannot be simplified so much that Taiwan belongs to China as it is, differentiating between ROC and PRC. The PRC's fiery power over Taiwan is quite debatable.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan,_China

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago

This is a good run down of the actual legal status of Taiwan https://thediplomat.com/2014/08/no-taiwans-status-is-not-uncertain/

[–] Catradora_Stalinism@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

that is completely and utterly incorrect, check the UN database, it will cite them recognizing the PRC as the sole existing China.

[–] kujaw@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

PRC have a power of veto in UN. How do you think they would ever let UN change anything of status quo regarding to Taiwan?