this post was submitted on 13 Jul 2024
62 points (86.9% liked)
Showerthoughts
29707 readers
1749 users here now
A "Showerthought" is a simple term used to describe the thoughts that pop into your head while you're doing everyday things like taking a shower, driving, or just daydreaming. A showerthought should offer a unique perspective on an ordinary part of life.
Rules
- All posts must be showerthoughts
- The entire showerthought must be in the title
- Avoid politics
- NEW RULE as of 5 Nov 2024, trying it out
- Political posts often end up being circle jerks (not offering unique perspective) or enflaming (too much work for mods).
- Try c/politicaldiscussion, volunteer as a mod here, or start your own community.
- Posts must be original/unique
- Adhere to Lemmy's Code of Conduct-----
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
Ironically, what you're doing is called "equivocating." It's the assumption that two different concepts mean the same thing, often because they are named with the same word.
In this case, you are equivocating the concept of judging the relative merits of two things with the concept of noting differences between two disparate things. Both concepts are called "comparing" but they are different concepts.
To use your example, you can compare bikes and cars by speed, by price, by cargo capacity, by viability as a means of transport, by weight, etc. You are looking at the qualities, quantifiable or otherwise, to evaluate the two things in relation to each other.
You can also compare the mechanics of the two machines. A car has an engine and a transmission, a gas tank, power steering and brakes, electronics, a radio, rearview camera, tire pressure sensors, and cup holders. A bike has gears, a chain, pedals, a frame, brakes, a bottom bracket, a fork, shifters, reflectors, and a little cage for a water bottle. These might be similar in components and functionality, but you wouldn't say one is better or worse, because they are each built for a specific function. If you compare a cup holder to a water bottle cage, you could define how they are similar and how they are dissimilar, but it would not be the same sort of comparison as comparing the top speed of a car to the top speed of a bike.
Both uses of the term "compare" are correct. There's no inaccuracies in your language, because the word "compare" means something different in each context. English is full of words like this, where the meaning can be slightly changed or even entirely opposite depending on when and how it is said. That doesn't mean you are using the words wrong. Your confusion of the two concepts is the mistake, not the use of one word to describe two different things.
Thanks for taking the time to write this detailed reply. I guess you're right about the equivocation and I can see the irony :D
Though I have not fully understood yet. Following your example, the two different concepts are ...
What blocks me from fully agreeing is that still, both are comparisons. And they don't feel so different to me that I would call them different concepts. When I look up examples for equivocations, those do feel very different to me.
I still guess you're right. If you (or someone else) could help me see the fallacy, I'd appreciate.
Where did you get your definition of "equivocating"?
Judging the relative merits of two things, and noting the differences between disparate things, is fundamentally the same thing.
You can define a car as a steering wheel and an engine and a gear box etc.
Or you can define a car as a generic object and one of the first fundamental properties of all generic objects is the list of all other features and properties that that object has.
So noting the differences between two things, is really just judging the relative merits of their collection of properties.
I would argue that @Spzi@lemm.ee is correct, and people often use "can't be compared" incorrectly, or they intentionally use it that way to be over the top and dramatic, like saying I love you to infinity.