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Once again, this is an actual question; and I'm hoping to broaden my horizons and have a good conversation or two. I'm relatively new to commie subs, still trying to read political theory to figure out which one I like the most, so this might come off as uneducated. But why am I seeing so many positive posts about Stalin, followed by some comments that boil down to "Stalin was good, if you think he wasn't, that's just western propaganda" I'm thinking of the post that mentioned the 1921 Soviet Famine as a specific example. I know that Stalin didn't create the famine, it was a byproduct of almost a decade of war, unrest, and a ton of other factors. But Stalin did do some bad shit. Things like sending 14 million people to gulags to work as slave labor, and killing millions more in his purges. I would argue that he used communism to become an authoritarian. Similar to how Putin is ruling now, stuffing ballot boxes, starting wars, and pushing propaganda. (I realize that we get pushed propaganda, too in the form of faux news, MSNBC, and most media outlets. I don't wish to have a discussion that boils down to "we do it too, you just don't see it")

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[–] GrainEater@lemmygrad.ml 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Regarding the USSR:

  • Where did you read that 14 million people were sent to prisons as slave labour in the USSR?
  • Where did you read that millions of people were killed in purges in the USSR?
  • Where did you read that the USSR didn't have collective leadership, and that Stalin had ultimate authority?


Regarding modern Russia:

  • Saying "Putin is ruling" is a very liberal standpoint. He is a president, not a monarch.
  • Where did you read that Putin's party is interfering with elections? It's entirely possible considering it's a capitalist country and they don't want to lose to the KPRF, but it's still important to be skeptical of sources, particularly those with a bad track record.
  • Russia has not started any war. In Ukraine, they intervened in and escalated a nearly decade-long civil war ignited by the NATO coup in 2014. The war with Georgia was initiated by Georgia. The war in Syria was started by imperialists, and Russia joined by the Syrian government's invitation.


Communists are materialists. If capitalist countries make claims about socialist countries without evidence, the default assumption should be that those claims are either entirely untrue or massively inflated. That doesn't mean they're always false, but you wouldn't trust a habitual liar to suddenly tell the truth. There is no way to "prove" if or how a historical event happened, and Amerikan propaganda is extremely effective despite a severe lack of convincing evidence.

[–] kmkz_ninja@lemmy.world -4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"Russia has not started any war. In Ukraine, they intervened in and escalated a nearly decade-long civil war ignited by the NATO coup in 2014"

So this is one of those communities. I forgot the part where Ukraine requested Russia to invade. Or the part where intervening in another country's political affairs was a thing that neither Russia nor NATO have ever done.

[–] ComradePupIvy@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 1 year ago

Russia, DPR, LPR, and Ukraine signed a treaty, and the treaty was broken, the DPR and LPR requested aid