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The president often had a weak, raspy voice during his first debate against Trump, in what Democrats had hoped would be a turning point in the race.

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[–] timewarp@lemmy.world 55 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

Biden's performance wasn't an impediment. It was him fumbling and stuttering over his words, forgetting his debate prep and saying nonsensical things. I absolutely do not want Trump to win, but Biden's debate performance in reality was poor. Many Democrats don't want to accept that. It is fine if they want to ignore facts. The truth is the Democrats would be far better off if Kamala or AOC or someone else was running for President, and they are risking way too much despite the facts.

[–] nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 28 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It's not just a speech impediment, it's a speech impediment in a fucking 81 year old man who shouldn't be dealing with a stressful job in politics. Been around many octogenarians? He did great for someone his age.

If he were up against someone in their 30s or 40s, it would be terrible but, against an old racist nazi who can only seem to make complete statements when they are provably false? Well, I'd still prefer someone else but at least he has the balls to actually say the forbidden words of "you're lying" and he's the only choice that we're allowed to have as infuriating as that is.

[–] timewarp@lemmy.world 21 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Trump is almost the same age and he is a liar but he also was quick enough to immediately use Biden's blunders against him. Pretty much everything Biden said sounded scripted and then he still messed it up. Biden didn't "look" like the smarter candidate. There is enough misinformation out there that if people go searching they'll find sources that support Trump's lies. Trump won for the undecided tonight that watches the debate and uses it to make s decision.

[–] nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Trump won for the undecided tonight that watches the debate and uses it to make s decision.

Anyone who was "undecided" tonight was going to support Trump anyway, either directly or with a "protest vote". Basically, to they were either lying to themselves or others and are quite alright with a nazi.

[–] timewarp@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

This is factually not true, and there are several people that don't research every detail but try to make a decision based on intuition and performance... And even if they do research there are a lot of hook and bait misinformation networks that get routinely featured on Google News and other news aggregators. If someone thought Trump sounded like a stronger candidate tonight they may end up researching and seeing news supporting Trump's version of events.

[–] EleventhHour@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

Until you can back up your statements with verifiable evidence, you should probably just stop

[–] kava@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

10% of people who voted for Biden last time are switching to Trump according to a survey from a few months ago.

[–] Pelicanen@sopuli.xyz -1 points 4 months ago

AOC? An ambitious woman who just barely will have squeezed past the minimum age requirement by the time of the election and half the country has decided is a communist? Don't get me wrong, I think she'd be a fantastic candidate, maybe even the best, but I sincerely doubt that she'd poll better than Biden, even considering his horrendous performance in yesterday's debate.