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Is it practically impossible for a newcomer selfhost without using centralised services, and get DDOSed or hacked? (lemmy.world)
submitted 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) by Maroon@lemmy.world to c/selfhosted@lemmy.world
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I understand that people enter the world of self hosting for various reasons. I am trying to dip my toes in this ocean to try and get away from privacy-offending centralised services such as Google, Cloudflare, AWS, etc.

As I spend more time here, I realise that it is practically impossible; especially for a newcomer, to setup any any usable self hosted web service without relying on these corporate behemoths.

I wanted to have my own little static website and alongside that run Immich, but I find that without Cloudflare, Google, and AWS, I run the risk of getting DDOSed or hacked. Also, since the physical server will be hosted at my home (to avoid AWS), there is a serious risk of infecting all devices at home as well (currently reading about VLANS to avoid this).

Am I correct in thinking that avoiding these corporations is impossible (and make peace with this situation), or are there ways to circumvent these giants and still have a good experience self hosting and using web services, even as a newcomer (all without draining my pockets too much)?

Edit: I was working on a lot of misconceptions and still have a lot of learn. Thank you all for your answers.

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[–] dogsnest@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

lol

eta:

Is it ok if I cite f5.com over some.random.lemmy.dude?

Who is f5.com?

[–] Guadin@k.fe.derate.me 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I don't get why they say that? Sure, maybe the attackers don't know that I'm on Ubuntu 21.2 but if they come across https://paperless.myproxy.com and the Paperless-NGX website opens, I'm pretty sure they know they just visited a Paperless install and can try the exploits they know. Yes, the last part was a bit snarky, but I am truly curious how it can help? Since I've looked at proxies multiple times to use it for my selfhosted stuff but I never saw really practical examples of what to do and how to set it up to add an safety/security layer so I always fall back to my VPN and leave it at that.

[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 months ago

Not every path is mapped with the reverse proxy.

[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

I'm positive that F5's marketing department knows more than me about security and has not ulterior motive in making you think you're more secure.

Snark aside, they may do some sort of WAF in addition to being a proxy. Just "adding a proxy" does very little.

[–] dogsnest@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

So, you've gone from:

reverse proxies don't add security

to:

"adding a proxy" does very little

What's next?

Give up. You don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works -1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

... You're joking right?

[–] dogsnest@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

No.

[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

No point talking to you then.

[–] dogsnest@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

lol

reverse proxies don't add security

Citation?