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Not sure why Signal gets all the attention when Matrix is much more successful at spreading open source messaging and is also decentralized.

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[–] testman@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm still trying to find the source of this "60 million users" claim. Any idea where that came from?

[–] poVoq@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

~~Maybe some New Vector press release: https://pressreleases.responsesource.com/news/103000/decentralised-matrix-network-hits-60-million-users-sets-sights-on-100-million/ ?~~

But they have been IMHO artificially inflating user numbers by not counting only active users.

[–] testman@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

~~> The press release you're looking for is no longer available.
Please use the menu above to view other relevant releases. heh
Now I wonder whether I should delete the posts that I made on Reddit.~~

actually, Matthew (the main Matrix dude) clarified this:

the >60M users (actual figure is 64M) is based on the phone-home reporting to matrix.org that synapse optionally does
the graph looks like this:
Screenshot 2022-07-14 at 10.58.51.png
of these, around 30M are natively on Matrix (the others are bridged in from other platforms)
and of those about 14M are long-term matrix users

[–] poVoq@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 years ago (4 children)

That's a much better response. 14 million sounds more realistic. Very strange that they count bridged users (30 million!) as matrix users though.

[–] flux@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Indeed strange without quantifying that number in any way, but at least it still sort of tells that you can reach 60 milion people (or bots ;)) via Matrix, even if 30 million of them don't use it.

[–] poVoq@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago

The IRC bridge is AFAIK also recreating a lot of ghost users everytime it breaks, and that happens a lot 😅

[–] marmulak@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago

It's more like Matrix is using them

[–] humanetech@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

Such easy round single numbers do well in advocacy of the technology. In the Netherlands the social network project PubHubs has just started (with some serious backers, like Dutch public broadcasters, 2 universities), and they'll use the Matrix protocol. Though they will be cryptographically separated from the rest of the Matrix network. In their presentations couple of weeks ago they mentioned a Matrix user base of 30 something million, influencing their technology choice. And I was like "Huh? Wow. That's a lot".

[–] singpolyma@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

By that count we could also count every Matrix user as a Jabber user. And every SMS user!

[–] thervingi@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Given Matrix's decentralized nature, I don't think they can count active users.

[–] marmulak@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago

Perhaps but they can still count many. Plus the vast majority of users are on one server