Material reality. People have done this before for a myriad of causes. Does it stop empire? No. Lenin never said 'go kill yourself it totally will change everything'.

The people detracting this as ‘nothing’ are clearly so comfy in there own situations they cant imagine any action, nevermind a strong one like this having an impact.

I run a homeless shelter. Thats at least one thing you could do that is far better than killing yourself for a cause. In fact, anything is better.

[–] ghost_of_faso2@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Material reality. People have done this before for a myriad of causes. Does it stop empire? No. Lenin never said ‘go kill yourself it totally will change everything’.

Marxism isnt a orthodoxy that needs to be followed like a religion, im not going to judge the protest actions of others if it serves to protest a ongoing genocide being comitted by that persons government.

I run a homeless shelter. Thats at least one thing you could do that is far better than killing yourself for a cause. In fact, anything is better.

Firstly, cool. That doesnt change anything about how much you're smugging over a dead person rather than allowing it to inspire.

[–] marcie@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Marxism isnt a orthodoxy that needs to be followed like a religion, im not going to judge the protest actions of others if it serves to protest a ongoing genocide being comitted by that persons government.

You absolutely should be against chain suicides, like any good person is.

Firstly, cool. That doesnt change anything about how much you’re smugging over a dead person rather than allowing it to inspire.

Because it shouldn't be copied, by anyone. There were many dozens of people that did this during Vietnam, of similar ages. Did that cause America to stop? No. None of the protesting did. Military defeat at the hands of Vietnamese communists did.

'Inspiration' and nonsense does not make a change in the world. All it does is add another sad headline, of which there are plenty to be had.

[–] ghost_of_faso2@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 5 months ago

You absolutely should be against chain suicides, like any good person is.

'Chain suicides' you're inserting a bunch of nonsense no one has argued for. Lenin absolutely sent people to commit acts of violence on his behalf, and there have been many examples of suicide protest during occupied nazi europe having an impact.

You judge these things as not being impactfull the literal day after it happens, this is ridiculous. Its had enough of an impact we're sitting here talking about it, this can be said to be more than most are doing.

Because it shouldn’t be copied, by anyone. There were many dozens of people that did this during Vietnam, of similar ages. Did that cause America to stop? No. None of the protesting did. Military defeat at the hands of Vietnamese communists did.

It pressured people to come back to the table, of course it did. Your ignorance of the impact of those protests doesnt make them not impactfull.

‘Inspiration’ and nonsense does not make a change in the world. All it does is add another sad headline, of which there are plenty to be had.

It likely sounds like nonsense because you've already accepted defeat.

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I don't know how you see it as anything other than sadly acknowledging a thrown away life. Do you think there is a magic number of self-immolations that will change US or Israeli policy? If one wasn't enough a thousand won't be.

[–] ghost_of_faso2@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I dont think there is a magic number, I think the hope behind these actions are to inspire to enact more change and to show all human life has value, I think disregarding this as nothing demonstrates a lack of empathy or working class spirit.

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

No one is regarding it as nothing. We're regarding it as a very high cost form of protest which doesn't seem to be more effective than non-suicidal methods.

[–] ghost_of_faso2@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

That was the vibe I got from other commenters that havent replied to me. I appreciate you and others have less deranged views on this.

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago

Fair! :) Maybe some ARE regarding it as nothing, in which case I agree with your view.