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I assume you’re American. Spend some time in Europe and you’ll see it’s not just a “fad.” Over there, EVs are plentiful and affordable. The lack of American charging infrastructure is one major issue. No Moore’s law for EVs? What are you trying to say with that statement exactly? That battery technology is not improving? That’s just false. Maybe not at the rate Moore’s law improved transistor size but that’s a false equivalence- not even close to the same technology. Also Moore’s law is dead.
Maybe you should visit some poorer countries. BEVs are incredibly far away from being mainstream. Not to mention how much of the “success” of BEVs is due to subsidies. It is not an organic market.
The point is that you cannot compare BEVs to computers. And certainly not the period from the 1990s. BEVs are improving at a slow rate and will have major physical limitations preventing them from going beyond a certain level. That is the point.
And because of that, they are going to end up being a fad. By the time they are “ready” to take over, technology will have moved on and BEVs will be obsolete.
I’m living in Colombia - I don’t need to tell me what I “should do”. No there aren’t prevalent EVs here. But is your argument that because it’s not affordable for poorer countries that it’s just a fad? Terrible logic there chief. Poor countries also don’t have meaningful space programs. Do you think space travel is a fad too? Can’t compare EVs to computers huh? That’s exactly what you did. Progress is slow - until it isn’t. I hope you remember this conversation when you're sitting in your EV 10-15 years from now. You say far away from being mainstream… it already is mainstream in countries that can afford the infrastructure. You’re failing you’re own argument - just let go.
Yes, that is the argument. If it is a very expensive technology, it will only be for rich people. It could never be viable for poorer countries. Hence why it is a fad.
Last I checked, almost no human beings go into space. It is not at the level of “fad” because it is basically pure science and not a real market.
And please don’t use the word “EV” for this conversation. I’m talking about BEVs specifically. There are other types of EVs out there. Ones that will be much cheaper in the long-run. In fact, this is why I am 100% confident that BEVs are a fad. People who disagree with me simply aren’t aware that there are EVs that are not BEVs.
Yep, technology sure doesn't start out expensive then get cheaper later. If only that were the case.
Lol, "People who disagree with me simply aren’t aware that there are EVs that are not BEVs." Oh, no, we can read. We just think you're wrong.
Let me throw out a guess, you think it'll be the hydrogen FCEV's that will take over? Those can be pretty expensive right now though. Do you think the technology will improve and get cheaper over time by any chance?
Sure. In fact, FCEVs can be as cheap as ICE cars. They completely avoid the problem of needing giant batteries. As a result, their cost floor is the same as conventional cars today.
Can you really argue that BEVs will survive if you knew that? The better question is why would we even need BEVs if hydrogen cars prove to be far cheaper?
The irony is completely lost on you, eh?
I don't think he's intelligent enough to understand irony
Unlike you, I actually know something about the subject. BEVs are never going to be particular cheap cars. The only exceptions are things like neighborhood cars. Basically, the only make a BEV cheap is by not giving it any range.
In reality, it will be something else like FCEVs. And you should be more open to this possibility, not closemindedly think that it can only be the BEV.
Could have fooled me.
PS: You do know all favorites/boosts/reduces are public right? Like I can see that you are reducing all my posts. I'd prefer it if you don't carry over this bit of Redditism.
LOL you're such a loser.
Oh, I'm reducing you because you are wrong or are arguing in bad faith. Both good reasons to hit the down arrow.
So basically downvote = disagree again.
Again, acting like you're on Reddit just makes you a loser.
Are you going to reduce this post too? Is this post just another example of bad faith posting? Are you really that shallow?
Again, we can all see your votes!
If it makes you feel any better, I'm downvoting you because you are acting like a dickhead, not because I disagree.
Good