we have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror. but the royal terrorists, the terrorists by the grace of god and the law, are in practice brutal, disdainful, and mean, in theory cowardly, secretive, and deceitful, and in both respects disreputable.

karl marx

[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

What does that have to do with "anti-authoritarians". Sounds a bit like too much Engels to me.

[–] azertyfun@sh.itjust.works -2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Typical Stalinism/Maoism: Anyone who opposes my implementation of Marxism is an enemy of the proletariat and can be persecuted to any extent. These people agree with the mainstream idea that communism can't be implemented democratically, but come to the conclusion that democracy must be abolished.

This meme is an open dogwhistle to tankies and thankfully meaningless to anyone who hasn't fallen into or interacted with this small subsection of the far-left.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Are you conflating Capitalism with democracy?

[–] azertyfun@sh.itjust.works -4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Please, go ahead and develop. What part of my comment leads you to believe that?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

What Communist says "Democracy must be abolished?"

[+] azertyfun@sh.itjust.works -6 points 4 months ago (3 children)

The kind that rails on "anti authoritarianism"? Or do you have a charitable interpretation of "authoritarianism" that is somehow compatible with democracy?

I also fail to see what any of that has to do with capitalism, which I have neither defended nor mentioned yet you brought up.

Goddam arguing with tankies and their endless litany of non-sequiturs is such a pointless exercise.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 9 points 4 months ago

Do you have evidence of Marx and Engels, both who railed against so-called "anti-authoritarians," saying that "Democracy must be abolished?" Do you have evidence of Marxists who followed them saying "Democracy must be abolished" either? I do not believe you will.

What I do see is Communists advocating for the destruction of Capitalism and the structures that support it, replacing them with proletarian democracy.

It isn't a non-sequitor, your point itself was a strawman that doesn't exist.

[–] Sodium_nitride@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 4 months ago

Being against "anti-authoritarians" is not the same thing as being "authoritarian" as these categories are not useful in the first place. No marxist considers themselves to be either category.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago

I love how being unable to make a coherent argument you go on bleating about tankies. If you admit that capitalism is not a democracy for the majority, then what democracy is being abolished?

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Most communists are some branch of ML, even moreso if you exclude the imperial core. The CPC has over 100 million members.

You are the fringe subsection of the left.