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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.zip/post/16572873

The southern states of Bavaria and Baden-Württemberg have been inundated, causing dam bursts and prompting dramatic rescues. States of emergency have been declared in several areas with more heavy rain expected.

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[–] Darkenfolk@dormi.zone -5 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Didn't they recently also have extreme flooding?with all due respect, but I mean you live right next to the dyke experts, take a fucking hint.

[–] KISSmyOSFeddit@lemmy.world 21 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Rivers are different. If you simply box them in with dykes upstream you'll just have more flooding downstream.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Depends on the river. With those Elbe floods that gave upstream so much trouble once the flood reached the tidal area it either hit a low tide which basically just soaks everything up or a high tide, which still was below spring or storm tide levels.

Generally speaking though and tidal systems aside (which arguably are more coastline than rivers) you should always have regions that you are willing to flood. There's plenty of places where seasonal flooding was the norm in the past and they're very valuable biotopes, those should be restored where possible, and even when not flooding a couple of fields and paying out the farmers is rather less of a headache than dealing with uncontrolled flooding. Short video about a flood forest. Bonus: Frozen.

[–] zout@fedia.io 12 points 4 months ago

If you mean the Dutch, they also have a lot trouble locally with flooding.

[–] Gladaed@feddit.de 11 points 4 months ago (1 children)

??? We have a costal people, too. This is not a know-how issue.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Yes and no. In the north we simply don't build stuff where it could get flooded, or accept that it will be flooded. E.g. Hamburg's Fischmarkt is getting flooded quite regularly (spring/storm tides), no biggie it's built to handle it just let it happen it's not like those cobblestones would be priceless artifacts. Meanwhile, in more mountainous regions places started to think "hmm it was silly of our ancestors to build the village up the hill, we should build new stuff down in the valley by the river" because they hadn't seen a flash flood in a generation.

In short, the issue here is that the people there don't know how (sorry) water comes from above, below, and the sides. Couldn't happen up here that's every other day of the week.

[–] Badeendje@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

Fixing these kinds of issues are massive undertakings. First you need to check the whole path and start in specific places, because if you start in the wrong place you move the issue to another point where the potential for disaster might be even bigger.

For example, the water level before a dyked area is raised allowing water to pass over a natural barrier and flood an entire valley. Or you move the issue downstream and flood larger areas. When dealing with nature, you are dealing with massive forces.

The Dutch Duke system is a product of hundreds of years of development, and in some cases costly trial and error.