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[–] qooqie@lemmy.world -5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (4 children)

You can’t have free will without the option to choose anything. If you can’t choose evil you don’t have free will it’s just a semblance of free will. If you’d prefer a semblance of free will that’s valid

[–] Obonga@feddit.de 10 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Can you do everything you want to, like fly by flapping your arms? No? Still you say you have free will. Can you buy a rocket and send it to mars? You cant? Still you say you have free will. Limited choices do not mean that you do not have free will.

[–] usualsuspect191@lemmy.ca 5 points 5 months ago

Adding on to this, God is supposed to be able to know the future so at the moment of creation knows exactly how it'll all play out. Ignoring how this alone would mean many versions of free will wouldn't be possible, God could simply only create the people that would freely choose the right things. Why create those that He knows will just go to hell?

[–] HamsterRage@lemmy.ca 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I choose hedbidittle!

Oh! I can't have hedbidittle, because it doesn't exist. It's not even a concept.

Well then, I guess I don't have free will.

[–] qooqie@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

How does free will mean absolute power?

[–] HamsterRage@lemmy.ca 5 points 5 months ago

It doesn't. All I'm saying is that your assertion that free will requires that evil is a choice assumes the existence of evil in the first place. If God never created evil, then it's simply not something you could ever choose, just like an infinity of other non-things that you cannot choose. But that doesn't inhibit your free will.

[–] theonyltruemupf@feddit.de 1 points 5 months ago

Well I didn't choose my depression, it's origin is neuro-chemical. My free will and everyone else's would be perfectly unchanged if I didn't have said depression. Still I'm suffering every day from it and struggling greatly. How do you explain that?