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US Homes Face Costly Retrofits for Induction Stoves, EV Chargers | New homes in the US may not be “electrical ready” after an international standards agency excluded building electrification measures (www.bloomberg.com)
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[–] silence7@slrpnk.net 6 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Almost nobody ends up using propane when they've got piped gas available. Which says that it's not a great choice.

[–] TalesOfTrees@sh.itjust.works 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Or it just confirms developers being in cahoots, and consumers being unaware that they have choices, even when it doesn't seem like it. Hopefully you're not interpreting this as me trying to argue with you, as my intention is more of a "hey, by the way here's something" rather than an attempt to convince anyone of anything.

[–] Uranium3006@kbin.social 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

in the case of apartments the consumers don't have a choice, which is why new gas line bans are so important

[–] NoIWontPickAName@kbin.earth -1 points 7 months ago

Or just live somewhere else and don’t ruin shit for the rest of us?

[–] NoIWontPickAName@kbin.earth 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

My city has natural gas piping and there are still propane tanks all around.

[–] silence7@slrpnk.net 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Very unusual if that's the case.

[–] NoIWontPickAName@kbin.earth 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I never really thought about it until this discussion. I’m used to propane tanks for people who live in the country

[–] silence7@slrpnk.net 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Exactly. There are propane tanks in areas where there aren't fixed pipes to deliver natural gas. Once those are installed, people switch to the cheaper option.

This is a big deal because right now heat pumps are almost always cheaper than propane, but not cheaper than natural gas.

[–] NoIWontPickAName@kbin.earth 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

No I meant there are still houses here that use propane, I was looking at one on Monday, smack dab in the middle of town

[–] silence7@slrpnk.net 1 points 7 months ago

All I can say is that this is very uncommon. Either that location never got a natural gas hookup, or something unusual is happening.