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I can agree that the comment you replied to was kinda hostile but this is FOSS, something that strives on dissent and criticism from the people that use it. Saying we shouldn't talk about Lemmy's shortcomings is like saying that Engineers are great Designers which isn't exactly true.
Some things may be unnecessary, especially political beliefs that don't really come with any official affiliation, but things like UI are very important for accessibility and if the developers are not going to focus accessibility, then users may want to look elsewhere.
Yeah but they weren't saying don't talk about the shortcomings. They were saying, go do that in the most high impact most likely to cause change way possible.> I can agree that the comment you replied to was kinda hostile but this is FOSS, something that strives on dissent and criticism from the people that use it. Saying we shouldn’t talk about Lemmy’s shortcomings is like saying that Engineers are great Designers which isn’t exactly true.
Sure but why not share their opinions here as well? They can and probably have already shared their views with the developers in a more direct way but I, for one, wouldn't be "in the know" without posts like these.
I dunno, ask Colin about the opinion he expressed not me. I was just disagreeing that his comment said anything to the effect that "we shouldn't talk about Lemmy's shortcomings."
I'm not even convinced they are saying that the devs shouldn't share their opinions here as well.
The exact phrasing was:
"not a good sign to find myself on a platform where fellow admins are criticizing the developers like this."
Not:
"not a good sign to find myself on a platform where fellow admins are criticizing the developers."
Those aren't the same statement.
Personally I think that it probably is good for the admins to discuss their concerns about software development of Lemmy both directly where that will have an impact on the development and here within the community.
But I think in both cases, because they are representatives of Beehaw, that should be in the form of productive criticism that is explicit about what they think should be different and why.
This post is more about emotional venting about their frustration without even spelling out explicitly what they are frustrated about. Which is productive in the sense that it's important to process one's emotions and discussing them with your peers is a way people like to do that. However, I actually don't think it is appropriate for the administrators of an instance to do so in that context because it potentially sets a negative tone for the discussion between the admins on behalf of the Beehaw community and the people actually working on the software about what Beehaw's needs are from that software. This could actually undermine having Beehaw's voice heard in an effective way to help get these issues resolved.
I think that this post acknowledges that there should be a line drawn between official communication by the Beehaw administration and their personal venting as a user (ie by titleing it "informal PSA") I think it might be better to just not make it at all, process those feelings off-site, then come back with a more formal, detailed and specific, and more neutrally worded statement instead. It's not the end of the world or some unforgivable sin to have made a venty post about how they feel but I do think it would be better to handle things slightly differently in future and it is good for people to share that feedback.
Okay, I think we're on the same page now, thanks for going a little bit more in-depth. I had a similar issue the other day where it would probably have been nice if the moderator was able to remove the moderator tag.
Like if I didn't know that the tag could not be removed in order to allow moderators to use the site like normal users then I would have seen this post as a little off-putting simply because of the administrative tagging.