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[–] irmoz@reddthat.com 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I can't tell if you're being ignorant or disingenuous. The Ⓐ should be a clue as to my opinion on government in general, no? As for ☭ - check the first sentence of the article you linked. Or the description written under it, for what I meant to invoke.

I am no USSR apologist. I just consider that symbol useful as a marker for worker solidarity.

[–] laverabe@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I understand what it means, and I support what it is trying to do in theory. The problem is there has never been a government, to my knowledge, that has embraced the ideology that has not turned to corruption/totalitarianism. In these countries, the proletariat are deprived of their rights and fare far worse. That is what the hammer and sickle represents.

I'm happy to change my mind if an example can prove otherwise, but to my knowledge the most effective form of government is that of a social democracy, which is represented by a red rose.

[–] irmoz@reddthat.com 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I'm not talking about any governments.

Like I already told you:

The hammer and sickle (Unicode: U+262D ☭ ) is a communist symbol representing proletarian solidarity between agricultural and industrial workers.

This sentence is the entire and only reason I used that symbol. You have zero reason to continue to ask me for "good governments using this symbol". It is not a symbol of government. Communism is stateless, ergo no government. Just like anarchism.

You're trolling. Fuck off.

[–] laverabe@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Nice civility

The swastika is thus understood to be a symbol of auspiciousness and good fortune

Symbols can have meanings that are different than what they turn into. Hammer and sickle is almost unanimously considered to be a symbol of Stalin USSR totalitarian communism where millions perished.

[–] irmoz@reddthat.com 2 points 7 months ago

The swastika is thus understood to be a symbol of auspiciousness and good fortune

The Hindu one is, yes.

Symbols can have meanings that are different than what they turn into.

Not denying that.

Hammer and sickle is almost unanimously considered to be a symbol of Stalin USSR totalitarian communism where millions perished.

Only to people ignorant of what communism actually means.