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[–] Toneswirly@lemmy.world 60 points 8 months ago (3 children)

So if a cop, afflicted with PTSD from shooting teenagers, points a gun at me and I kill him in self-defense... Do you think the criminal justice system will hand-wave it away as easily as this?

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 20 points 8 months ago (2 children)

So if a cop, afflicted with PTSD from shooting teenagers, points a gun at me and I kill him in self-defense…

The thing is, liberals want to see this as some kind of exercise in fairness. "Oh if can shoot me then I can shoot them!"

No. This is a gang-violence thing. The MS-13 gang member can shoot you because he's got a gun and years of psychological scarring and a willingness to kill to survive. You can't shoot the gang member, because all his buddies will show up at your house, hold you down and skin your dog alive while you're forced to watch, then bust out all your teeth and hang you out to dry as an example.

Cops work the same way.

[–] Malfeasant@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

This. I forget the court ruling, but there was one, that found you are legally allowed to defend yourself against a police officer who is not acting lawfully, up to and including killing the cop... But good luck surviving that long.

[–] aksdb@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

... and proving it. In the end he could likely have been in plain cloths, no badge, in a bar after work and could still somehow claim to have announced himself and tried to prevent some bad perceived crime and it would be fine. Or if he got killed they would likely pull out is glorious career and what good cop he was to argue that he MUST have acted rightfully.

[–] arin@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago
[–] CaptainProton@lemmy.world -3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Well you're not a cop and have a gun, so this side is the Internet already thinks you're a fascist gun nut and belong locked away.

[–] misspacfic@lemm.ee 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

this says more about your subs than anything because i see a lot of socialists on here who cannot wait to tell me about their soviet pistol

[–] CaptainProton@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Everything openly pro-gun seems to get downvoted to oblivion here, never truly "everyone" but the balance is certainly favors civilian disarmament.

[–] Meansalladknifehands@lemm.ee 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Yeah I don't like idiots with guns sorry

[–] CaptainProton@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

Does that include police and military, do you want to abolish those as well, or do they get a special exemption from your "idiots with guns" umbrella because they use them to do others bidding?

[–] Fal@yiffit.net 1 points 8 months ago

The police are the last ones that should have guns

[–] Meansalladknifehands@lemm.ee 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

No, I don't know who is an idiot and who isn't, so less people having guns means less idiots have guns. police and military have vetting and training, regular citizens do not.

[–] CaptainProton@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

Vetted people with impunity and different interests from your own. But vetted, yes.

After a cops own well-being comes the "blue wall of silence", then their actual orders, and finally you, you come last in their priorities.

https://nij.ojp.gov/library/publications/police-integrity-lost-study-law-enforcement-officers-arrested

[–] MechaJutaro@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

"Everything openly pro-gun seems to get downvoted to oblivion here, never truly “everyone” but the balance is certainly favors civilian disarmament"

That's the illiberal nature of Progressivism for ya. Depriving everyday citizens of the tools required to defend ourselves is mistaken for an advanced way of existence