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[–] meco03211@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Didn't he say something about a 2 state solution being the eventual goal?

[–] juergen@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Yes, he has been saying this. What is lacking is a plan to get there. Against the opposition of the current Israeli government.

[–] S_204@lemm.ee -1 points 8 months ago (2 children)

How does the American president develop a plan when one side is refusing to even say if the hostages are alive and acknowledge the existence of the other party?

It's so weird that people act like Hamas/Palestinians aren't required to be a part of the process..... when they're the ones who have turned down the deals Egypt and Qatar have brokered.

[–] OppaGundamStyle@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Hamas is part of the process, they have attended the negotiations.

Fact is Israel is the one who keeps refusing to participate.

[–] S_204@lemm.ee -1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Israel won't negotiate until they get a list of names of living hostages. That's what's being negotiated, Hamas won't provide it. Blaming Israel because Hamas won't come to the table in any reasonable way is ridiculous.

The Qatar's have threatened to boot Hamas if they don't start negotiating in good faith is the news coming out lately. Blaming Israel for not negotiating over nothing is just stupid.

[–] norbert@kbin.social 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Israel won't negotiate

You could've stopped there.

[–] S_204@lemm.ee -1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Meanwhile Qatar is threatening to boot Hamas because they're not negotiating in good faith.

Your narrative doesn't match reality.

[–] norbert@kbin.social 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Bad faith negotiators all around, hard to blame Biden.

[–] S_204@lemm.ee -1 points 8 months ago

Yet the squad and their backers are finding ways to undermine their own..... interesting how that works.

[–] juergen@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Right. The principal parties of such negotiations are the Israeli- and the Palestinian Government, with Hamas in the mix, because they control the Gaza Strip.

Anyone outside those groups can make suggestions, demands, etc., but there are limited means for them to influence such negotiations. The US government can threaten to withhold support (at the risk of being labeled antisemitic or at least anti Israel), but I wouldn't bet my bottom dollar that it would make a difference in this climate.

I did not mean imply that Biden and his government can make a plan, and expect it to be followed. However, I feel that for his own benefit, Biden has to make a public display of making stronger demands for a resolution of this problem. It may not fix things in the Middle East in the short term, but it will demonstrate that he cares, and that the USA cares.

[–] S_204@lemm.ee -1 points 8 months ago

That's fair, I would probably agree with most of how you have reframed that. I think the qataris have an outside influence and obviously Iran's input would mean something.

I think Biden bringing Gantz over for a chat is about as big of a threat to Bibi as you're going to see though. That's notable on many levels.

[–] DarkDarkHouse@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The two state solution here seems to be a border with Israel on one side and Egypt on the other.

[–] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago

This is just willful ignorance at this point, the administration has been saying consistently since at least a month after October 7th, that a two state solution was the only answer to permanently solve the crisis.