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Uhhh. 80% the speed of Apple's second-tier laptop chip doesn't sound impressive to me.
If its $999 it will be a threat to a $3000 apple computer.
Even better if it has linux support. Then it will become tech enthusiast candy.
You forget the enterprise usage for Windows. Even Incremental gain is huge. With x86 emulation it definitely is a huge threat for apple.
Though I am happy Apple did it first. Competition is great for consumers. We'd never have gotten a decent ARM PC if Apple didn't rattle Microsoft's cage.
what's the obsession with ARM? it's just cool right now because Apple did it. But amd64 is just fine.
The really short version: potential power savings.
I'm just over here waiting for the RISC V revolution.
Less battery usage, no need for fans for the same or better performance... ARM is a solid upgrade to PC architecture.
Not to mention that soon after these laptops are released, apple will get out m4. So windows is about 1.5 generations behind? Very impressive.
There hasn’t been much development on the M Series since the M1. The M2 was essentially identical to the M1 with the clocks turned up and as a result worse thermals and battery life.
Whatever, pc laptops are lagging behind so much its embarrassing. When I compare my 300 kilo lenovo Legion with a 30 kilo brick for charging that gets me an hour of work tops (strangely not an exaggeration) when disconnected to a thin 2 year or macbook m1 I just wanna cry.
Performance:kg or Performance:Watt all PC laptops are complete trash compared to an M-series Macbook. However, that's only relevant to some usecases. I generally don't care how much my laptop weighs or how much power it uses. I just need it to have AMD hardware so Wayland works and to be able to play games decently when I'm not using it for productivity tasks.
Good for you, but pc users are not just gamers.
Edit: maybe pcs are just for gamers? Seems like serious work stuff will now be done on macs if something doesn't change.
lol, absolutely not. Between Dell and Lenovo, like 90% of the enterprise laptop market is captured.
Why are you working on a gaming PC and expecting good battery life? It's like using an macbook m1 and expecting good gaming performance.
You can go get a lenovo yoga or carbon and get 10hrs easy. Its a ways off the 20hrs of an m1, but it's far from the 1 hour of ridiculousness you'll get with a giant legion while you use a text editor.
Because I need a graphics card for work. My expectations are that the laptop doesn't run out of battery while I'm on a zoom call with a client. Too much for my lenovo.
So an arm based laptop wouldn't even work for you, no matter who sells it?
A good one would. Maybe one with lots of shared ram. Maybe one with a few tricks that boost graphic work. Do you know any?
My Lenovo runs most of a day on battery, while running VM's - it uses a USB C charger.
And it's 4 years old.
Not sure what you're doing with a modern laptop to kill a battery like that - I hammer on machines (and phones) , screen's never off, crank performance up (fan runs a lot), always running VM's with services (Syncthing, Resiliosync and PiHole mostly), or building VM's.
I'm impressed that you beat a machine harder than I do, lol.
Graphic design and I don't believe you.
Ah, yea, design work is intensive. I kind of figured it was something along those lines.
So you have a portable workstation. Those beasts are just what you describe - heavy, massive power supplies, etc. I carried one for a short time, asked if I could downgrade! While it was nice to have the power, it was just too damn heavy (and too big). Damn thing kept my legs warm, all year round.
Anymore I don't want anything bigger than 14", and even that is slightly larger than I prefer, because I usually have a monitor.
It's a struggle. But then, I don't need it to render a pixar movie. There are few cases when I need the graphic card, but I do. On the other hand a mac arm would fulfil that need (as much as I heard), because it's got some specific bits in it that help that type of work. The moment I saw it, I knew I will replace my PC, when similar chips come out. But then they didn't. And now, years later they might and they will be OK, while effing apple pushes the boundaries on chips. Insane. That's the pcs job, not apples.