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I'm not convinced that Labour will win. The UK has always been a one-party state with a few occasions of Labour being allowed to manage with virtually identical policies to the official state party. The economy is too unstable at the moment for the big corporations and dominant wealthy to allow Labour to govern. Starmer still hasn't done enough to satisfy his masters.
I think the mismanagement of the economy is exactly what will push big corporations to Labour. Why would they support the Conservatives who seem to be repeatedly doing it as badly as possible where Labour seem to be saying "no don't do that crazy thing"?
Remember Gordon Brown saying the word "prudent" and "Tory boom and bust" a lot in 1997. It worked.
Poll headlines like this miss so much information. Looking at this, it makes you think that the Tory vote has moved to Labour en-masse. When you look at the data tables the Tory vote has gone to 4 places.
I think Don't Know and Won't Vote Tories are people who recognise how bad things have become, but can't bring themselves to vote Labour. I'm not convinced they'll stay where they are, and could fall back blue. The Won't Say are shy Tories without a doubt. All of those people are excluded from headline figures and that distorts the picture.
The Reform UK vote is dependent on candidates standing and those will definitely go blue as a fall back.
Labour's increase has a massive component of people who didn't vote in 2019. Some of that will be people who were too young to vote (and I wish polsters would separate that out), but it's too big to be totally explained that way. That support could end up being softer than polls suggest. They have to actually vote.
I think Labour will win, but I'm expecting it to be a lot closer fought than the polls suggest from their headline figures.
Who do you think stand a better chance? The Tories are currently imploding, there is no clear vision for the party and the different factions and backstabbing and wrestling for control. Sunak is weak, a caretaker PM with no authority or presence. They are tired, with nothing and nobody to rally around, and even the big corporations can see the writing on the wall.
Unfortunately a vote for Labour is essentially a vote for a different flavour of right-wing austerity politics. Sir Keir is doing his best to prove he's an establishment toady but it's not good enough. Big corporations will rally to the Tories in the run-up to the election. The British economy is in such a precarious state that that they can't risk anything other than close family running things.
I don't think that it matters who is in government now. We have a one-party state with two flavours.
I'd prefer to see the big parties broken up.
Who are Starmer's "masters"? Can you elaborate?
Rupert Murdoch and friends.
I don't think Mudoch is his "master" so much as the most influential voters in general elections are readers of the Murdoch owned papers.