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Google confirms Gmail is “here to stay” amid speculation over plans to scrap the email service::Claims that Google plans to sunset Gmail were a hoax, so there's no need to panic

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[–] Railcar8095@lemm.ee 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

*Indian government: hold my lassie

https://techcrunch.com/2024/02/16/india-may-block-proton-mail/?guccounter=1

All it takes is that some services you use have mail hosted in India, and your emails might never reach.

[–] EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

They’re not blocking ProtonMail due to it being “not gmail” or any other recognizable domain or having a poor reputation, they’re blocking it because ProtonMail is doing what they promised to do and not divulging customer information to Indian authorities.

I suppose if OP lives in India then yeah that might be an issue but otherwise they’re still totally fine.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I guess it speaks more to the idea that there's definitely people out there who look skeptically on a ProtonMail address. There's a lot of people who know what it is and also hold a "If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear" mindset and immediately assume the worst about the person with the ProtonMail address. Because of course, in their minds, if you have such an address, you surely must be unsavory and have things to hide. It's not just autocratic governments who don't like it.

[–] EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

On the contrary, I think it’s autocratic governments specifically that don’t like it. Which is more or less the point, in the same way that any service that uses encryption and doesn’t give up user info is something they won’t like. Otherwise everyone with a Mac, IPad or IPhone would be considered shady, which as we know isn’t the case.

The people who hold the view you mentioned more than likely don’t even know what ProtonMail is.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

I don't necessarily disagree, but I have personally met a few people who did know what it was and also thought it was very sketchy and didn't trust it.

However, at the same time, I know how worthless a personal anecdote is in the bigger scheme of things, so you're probably right that most people that hold that attitude don't know wtf it is.

[–] EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I just feel like there isn’t a big enough crossover of people who both A.) know what it is and how it’s different from any other email provider and B.) don’t trust it simply because it’s encrypted.

The only thing ProtonMail does differently, functionally, is encrypt your data at rest, which while somewhat rare for an email provider to do, is extremely common for any other website or communication service to do.

Like somebody has to know what ProtonMail is and what it does enough so to not trust it, but somehow also not distrust iMessage, or WhatsApp, their banking site, etc.

Then you take that group of people, and cross them again with group C.) people who are responsible for the cybersecurity of any given website.

Like law of large numbers says that it’s plausible that this person exists out there, but is it enough for you to actually worry about using ProtonMail? So far at least, no.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I largely agree, but I've also seen the sheer capability of large conspiracy networks in the USA to propagate misinformation, and their predilection for assuming there's a giant cabal of child-abusing elite satanists controlling the world. These are largely people of the mind "if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear" and love the police while also feeling like they cannot trust the US government (or at least those satanist jewish LIBRULS), as if those aren't inherently contradictory positions. I guess the point I'm making is that a lot of people already have conspiracies about this kind of thing, and all they see is "encryption" and think "this must be what child abusers use." There's a lot of people (here in the USA at least) who aren't playing with a full deck and aren't coming to these conclusions from any sort of coherent reasoning other than "rules for thee, not for me" (considering it's okay for them to use encryption to organize their Proud Boys meeting or whatever).

Because otherwise, your logical conclusion makes sense, but we're officially dealing with millions of people who aren't approaching anything logically or coherently anymore, while being exposed to propaganda networks that can put those kind of ideas in their heads.