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[–] Diplomjodler@feddit.de 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Spartacus is generally regarded as existing

That's the whole point. We assume the guy existed but there's no proof.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

So you're going to deny the existence of Spartacus? Really?

[–] Diplomjodler@feddit.de 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

When did I say that? I said there's no definitive proof. That's not denying the possibility that the guy actually existed. But as you said, the evidence is rather thin.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

We can say he was from Thrace, that he was captured as a slave and fought as a gladiator in Capua, he led a slave revolt, and ran the Roman Army ragged all over the Italian peninsula. Including armies led by Marcus Crassus and Julius Caesar.

We can say that Jesus was from Nazareth, he started a weird little apocalyptic group within Judaism when he was around 30 years old, was baptized by a guy who started a parallel apocalyptic group (there were a lot of these guys running around Israel at the time), and he was crucified by the Romans. He almost certainly wasn't trying to start a whole new religion separate from Judaism; that came later, likely with Paul.

And that's it, that's the claim. Nobody is asking you to believe in the superstitious aspects, just the completely mundane claim that Christianity likely has a singular individual that inspired the movement.

[–] Diplomjodler@feddit.de 1 points 9 months ago

just the completely mundane claim that Christianity likely has a singular individual that inspired the movement.

Sure, there's a real possibility that this was the case. I'm not in any way denying that, just pointing out that there's no way to be sure.

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world -1 points 9 months ago

We can say that Jesus was from Nazareth,

Prove it.

was baptized by a guy

Which Paul doesnt mention for no reason whatsoever despite it being really good for his case.

and he was crucified by the Romans.

Hung or nailed? Which.