this post was submitted on 13 Feb 2024
171 points (95.2% liked)

No Stupid Questions

36164 readers
1335 users here now

No such thing. Ask away!

!nostupidquestions is a community dedicated to being helpful and answering each others' questions on various topics.

The rules for posting and commenting, besides the rules defined here for lemmy.world, are as follows:

Rules (interactive)


Rule 1- All posts must be legitimate questions. All post titles must include a question.

All posts must be legitimate questions, and all post titles must include a question. Questions that are joke or trolling questions, memes, song lyrics as title, etc. are not allowed here. See Rule 6 for all exceptions.



Rule 2- Your question subject cannot be illegal or NSFW material.

Your question subject cannot be illegal or NSFW material. You will be warned first, banned second.



Rule 3- Do not seek mental, medical and professional help here.

Do not seek mental, medical and professional help here. Breaking this rule will not get you or your post removed, but it will put you at risk, and possibly in danger.



Rule 4- No self promotion or upvote-farming of any kind.

That's it.



Rule 5- No baiting or sealioning or promoting an agenda.

Questions which, instead of being of an innocuous nature, are specifically intended (based on reports and in the opinion of our crack moderation team) to bait users into ideological wars on charged political topics will be removed and the authors warned - or banned - depending on severity.



Rule 6- Regarding META posts and joke questions.

Provided it is about the community itself, you may post non-question posts using the [META] tag on your post title.

On fridays, you are allowed to post meme and troll questions, on the condition that it's in text format only, and conforms with our other rules. These posts MUST include the [NSQ Friday] tag in their title.

If you post a serious question on friday and are looking only for legitimate answers, then please include the [Serious] tag on your post. Irrelevant replies will then be removed by moderators.



Rule 7- You can't intentionally annoy, mock, or harass other members.

If you intentionally annoy, mock, harass, or discriminate against any individual member, you will be removed.

Likewise, if you are a member, sympathiser or a resemblant of a movement that is known to largely hate, mock, discriminate against, and/or want to take lives of a group of people, and you were provably vocal about your hate, then you will be banned on sight.



Rule 8- All comments should try to stay relevant to their parent content.



Rule 9- Reposts from other platforms are not allowed.

Let everyone have their own content.



Rule 10- Majority of bots aren't allowed to participate here.



Credits

Our breathtaking icon was bestowed upon us by @Cevilia!

The greatest banner of all time: by @TheOneWithTheHair!

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
 

When Al-Qaeda themselves claimed responsibility, even with overwhelming evidence aside? Why were so many people still reluctant, I was researching about this stuff and was shocked to see people who I respect a lot believe in this

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] bamfic@lemmy.world 48 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Because there was some legit sketchy shit:

  1. Bush was warned at least a month in advance that an attack was coming. He deliberately did nothing. This was documented publicly in a Senate hearing afterwards. We don't know whether he did nothing because of incompetence or malice, and we don't know who else knew in advance as well, but either way, at least he and the people who briefed him knew.

  2. The dirty secret of skyscrapers is that they're mostly made of nothing. They're almost entirely air. It takes precious little to weaken them and bring them down. The Bin Laden family was in the construction business and they knew this fact very well.

  3. As others have noted in the thread, Bin Laden and the Muhjadeen had been funded, trained, and armed by the USA. They were our creation.

Usually when people are suspicious, they're right to be suspicious. They're not always right about what to be suspicious about.

[–] remotelove@lemmy.ca 27 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It takes precious little to weaken them and bring them down.

I would argue that an airliner filled with tons of fuel is not "little". That was a lot of mass moving really fast into the towers. Even then, it took a while for the structures to become weak enough to collapse. Given the circumstances, it was amazing the towers lasted as long as they did after they were hit.

Your core description is correct though: There really isn't much to skyscrapers.

[–] zipzoopaboop@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] remotelove@lemmy.ca 2 points 10 months ago

I think that is generally for the floor of each level and for the actual foundation of the structure itself.

The bulk of the primary structure core is just steel, I think. Skyscrapers need to bend and flex with the wind or during earthquakes. (I am not an architect, but I have watched a few TV shows about this stuff in the past. I think.)

[–] madcaesar@lemmy.world 21 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'm confused by this comment, what exactly is sketchy?

W is/was an incompetent fool that didn't feel the threat was worth acting upon. Instead of imagining some 4D conspiracy its much easier to see and understand that him and his administration were inept.

There have been numerous documentaries and analysis about skyscrapers and planes and the conclusion was that the towers actually performed ABOVE average. People don't seem to understand the power involved in a fucking jerliner slamming into a building.

Bin Laden was trained and armed to fight the Russians, which he did. He then decided to turn on us because he always was always a lunatic.

Again, nothing about 9/11 is mysterious to me and I don't get the conspiracy thinking.

[–] hex_m_hell@slrpnk.net 10 points 10 months ago

A lot of people grew up being used to a safe county. The idea that the government didn't actually keep people safe, and that leaders could be so insanely incompetent, was so shocking it was easier to believe in crazy conspiracy theories.

It's pretty easy to believe in an incompetent government after 9/11, but W came after Clinton and Bush Sr. The first Bush was the head of the CIA. He was evil, but highly competent. Clinton was clearly a world leader, also highly competent. Before that you had Reagan, who was Machiavellian as fuck running secret wars around the world. You had decades of these people looking like they were playing geopolitical 4d chess, then you had this clown who was playing checkers with pidgins. Then you had this incredible shock of the biggest attack on the US since Perl Harbor. It broke a lot of people's brains.

[–] otp@sh.itjust.works 9 points 10 months ago

Usually the conspiracy theories are along the lines of...

  1. Of course Bush did nothing, it was him who ordered the attacks.
  2. The skyscrapers weren't attacked, they were demolished
  3. Bin Laden (and anyone outside the US) was nothing but a scapegoat.

The sketchy shit makes a lot more sense than the conspiracy theories about demolitions and no planes (just projectors, lmao)