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American political ideology as a whole has shifted left in recent years, but women are becoming even more liberal, according to Gallup.

The survey data, released Wednesday, shows that while the country remains largely center-right, the percentage of those identifying as or leaning liberal has increased over the past three decades, and is now just 1 percent under it’s all-time high.

Roughly 36 percent of adults identify as conservative, 25 percent as liberal and the rest identify as either moderate or unsure, according to the poll.

When broken down by gender ideology, women in the youngest and oldest age groups said they were more likely to identify as liberal.

Women ages 18-29 were 40 percent more likely to be liberal in 2023, a slight decrease from 41 percent in 2022 and 44 percent in 2020, but still higher than the 30 percent in 2013. Those ages 65 and older were 25 percent more likely to identify as liberal — a slight increase from the 21 percent reported in 2013.

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[–] flying_sheep@lemmy.ml 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

I said “more” and gave a specific example in which way. The property of there being slavery didn't change until much later, whereas the Christians immediately made life worse for women who until then controlled their own bodies.

There is no lie. Why are you trying to catch me in one instead of having a honest discussion?

[–] nexguy@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

But the women never controlled their own bodies for thousands of years...likely since the first women. There are "fluctuations" where they have more rights for short stretches is time. You could cherry pick specific locations in a specific century of course. For example right now in the entire US, women have fewer rights than 10 years ago (fluctuation) but far more than 100 or more years ago.

[–] flying_sheep@lemmy.ml 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

But the women never controlled their own bodies for thousands of years...likely since the first women

That's Hobbesian fiction, not history. Check out this book for a version less driven by Victorian propaganda: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dawn_of_Everything

[–] nexguy@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

This book denies thousands of years of native American slavery?

[–] flying_sheep@lemmy.ml 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

No, it pretty explicitly mentions it, but you should read what I'm writing, not looking for a reason to get worked up.

Let me spell it out: losing your bodily autonomy is bad. Therefore it's bad when there's slavery or misogyny. And of course it's worse when there's both. The fact that (a fraction of) tribes had slavery doesn't invalidate that they weren't also misogynist. Unlike the society that followed after, which both had slavery and and believed that a good Christian woman is the property of her man.

So read this, then again from picking out an irrelevant detail to nitpick on.

[–] nexguy@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yes a "fraction" of tribes had slavery. 25% of the tribal population in the pacific northwest alone were slaves. A horrific and a dominant part of their society. The way women were treated by good Christians was terrible but to compare that in to the sheer number that were held as slaves in the past is disingenuous. Children sold for food. Children and women stolen from tribe to tribe to bolster numbers(forced assimilation which qualifies as genocide today). Were you a natural born tribe member female that hasn't been captured? In that case you had a better life though you did partially through the exploitation of slaves and genocide... for thousands of years. A couple of hundred years of harsh Christan rule was in no way a step backward.

[–] flying_sheep@lemmy.ml 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

What are you talking about? That 25% number is wrong. You found that on Wikipedia, ignored the statistic it actually applied to, and attached it to “tribal population”. Please don't lie with statistics, even if that wasn't intentional.

And most importantly, slavery increased rapidly as colonialism ramped up. Obviously Christian rule with substantially increased slavery and also misogyny is worse than a smaller degree of slavery and no misogyny.

Just read the book. It's great.

[–] nexguy@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Do you truly believe slavery was rare among pre-columbian native Americans?

Let's say for argument sake you are right. For 30,000 years slavery was a not-so-common occurrence in the America's. Then for 200 years it increased. Then decreased for 150 years to a level far far below any point in history (per-capita). What has been the trend?

[–] flying_sheep@lemmy.ml 1 points 9 months ago

That's not data that can be summarized as a trend. Just like climate data, the changes in the last centuries are very drastic compared to before. If the fluctuation before happened mich slower, there's no trend that can be modeled.