Guys. Vote in your interests. Sure Biden might be a complicit war criminal but the other guy is a domestic criminal who would be an enthusiastic war criminal given half a chance.

Secure your country from the Putin's pet orangutan for another four years, then rake Biden across the coals.

If we're lucky, we won't have to deal with either of them in 2028.

[–] naturalgasbad@lemmy.ca 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

So... When your choices are between two war criminals, your first thought isn't that the system needs change but that we should vote for the war criminal with a track record of war crimes?

[–] rigatti@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The system needs to change, but with one of those criminals it's slow progress in the right direction and with the other it's a sprint towards fascism. Take your pick.

[–] gnuhaut@lemmy.ml 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

slow progress in the right direction

lol

[–] rigatti@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Great contribution to the conversation. Laugh if you want, but voting for Democrats in general elections and voting progressive in primaries is the only way this country will make any progress. Push for ranked choice and other non-FPTP voting systems to get people better representation.

[–] gnuhaut@lemmy.ml 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

But there has been no progress during my lifetime (well not here and not in the US, there might have been some progress in other parts of the world). In fact, whenever we had "left"-liberals in power here in Germany, the march towards the right only accelerated, as they adopted right-wing neoliberal policies and took at least part their base with them over to the right, and the rest gets marginalized. We've had some fatal damage done to the welfare state, worker's rights and the anti-war movement, all by the social democrats and greens.

Your affirmation that there is "slow progress" is clearly not true. There was some progress before I was born, but as far as I can tell, that had nothing at all to do with voting for the lesser evil.

[–] rigatti@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Are we talking about the US or Germany? And how long have you been alive? Things like legalized gay marriage, legalized marijuana (not federally but in many states), healthcare that can't deny people because of pre-existing conditions are all examples of progress that have come in the last 15 years. There's still a long way to go even on those things I mentioned, but ignoring that progress is needlessly pessimistic.

[–] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Sure but it’s always like one small step forward and two large steps back. Abortion was made illegal in many states. US domestic surveillance of its own citizens has increased dramatically and gone unchallenged. Housing and healthcare costs have continued to outpace wage growth. Inequality has increased unabated. Green energy remains woefully underfunded. I could go on.

[–] rigatti@lemmy.world -1 points 9 months ago

You may have not noticed that there's one side of the government severely holding back all of those efforts.