this post was submitted on 26 Jan 2024
149 points (95.7% liked)

World News

38724 readers
2779 users here now

A community for discussing events around the World

Rules:

We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.

All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.


Lemmy World Partners

News !news@lemmy.world

Politics !politics@lemmy.world

World Politics !globalpolitics@lemmy.world


Recommendations

For Firefox users, there is media bias / propaganda / fact check plugin.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/media-bias-fact-check/

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
 

Live coverage thread of the International Court of Justice and the case of South Africa vs. Israel.

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] DarkGamer@kbin.social -1 points 8 months ago (12 children)

Palestinians are a national group and should qualify under the statutes, I didn't think that was ever under question. Hamas, however, is a political group and therefore not protected. If those Israeli statements refer to them, I don't believe they violate any statutes.

Israel was fighting “human animals”.

If this referred to Hamas militants, not Palestinians in general, it is not incitement to genocide.

President Isaac Herzog saying, “It’s an entire nation out there that is responsible”.”

An entire nation did in fact elect Hamas to power and to this day they enjoy popular support among Palestinians, which would in fact make them responsible for everything that followed from their leadership. Pointing this out is not incitement to violence against them.

[–] Retrowizard@piefed.social 2 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Except Hamas is the excuse and was never the real target. The real target are and always have been the Palestinian people.

The popularity of Hamas is a consequence of 70+ years of subjugation under control of the settlers. The genocide of Palestinians didn't start 100+ days ago; it started with the Nakba.

[–] DarkGamer@kbin.social -1 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Except Hamas is the excuse and was never the real target. The real target are and always have been the Palestinian people.

Perhaps it seems that way because of the popular support of Hamas and intifada in Palestine, the fact that Hamas is comprised of Palestinians, and because they hide among civilians to maximize collateral damage.

The popularity of Hamas is a consequence of 70+ years of subjugation under control of the settlers. The genocide of Palestinians didn't start 100+ days ago; it started with the Nakba.

And why did the Nakba happen? All the jew murdering. Jews started out legally buying lands until they were murdered and genocided and ethnically cleansed by Arab nationalists and neighboring Arab countries allied with Palestine. It's incredible you see the constant aggressors as the victims.

This is what happened when the shoe was on the other foot:

For the first time in 1,000 years not a single Jew remains in the Jewish Quarter. Not a single building remains intact. This makes the Jews' return here impossible

"The operations of calculated destruction were set in motion. I Knew that the Jewish Quarter was densely populated with Jewish populations who caused their fighters a good deal of interference and difficulty. I embarked, therefore on shelling of the quarter with mortars creating harassment and destruction. Only for days after our entry into Jerusalem, the Jewish Quarter become their graveyard. Death and destruction reigned over it. As the down of May 28th was about to break, the Jewish Quarter emerged in convulsive cloud-a cloud of death and agony"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamization_of_Jerusalem

Yet somehow Israel is the bad guy and must be restrained, It is Israel who is genocidal for defending themselves, not the explicitly genocidal Hamas, not the constantly belligerent terrorists next door who target civilians and want to destroy Israel in whole in or in part.

[–] Retrowizard@piefed.social 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

And why did the Nakba happen? All the jew murdering.

And that somehow justifies the displacement and genocide of the Palestinian people.

Yet somehow Israel is the bad guy and must be restrained, It is Israel who is genocidal for defending themselves, not the explicitly genocidal Hamas, not the constantly belligerent terrorists next door who target civilians and want to destroy Israel in whole in or in part.

Because it's the Settlers that are commiting genocide.

[–] DarkGamer@kbin.social -2 points 8 months ago
  • Starting a war and losing does in fact arguably justify annexation. Distance from those trying to murder you provides safety and security.
  • Peacefully living with Jews seems to have worked out pretty well for the Arabic 21% of Israel who stayed and currently enjoy full citizenship rights, it's a shame those who left chose violence and continue to choose violence.
  • The only side that has committed genocide in this conflict or that to this day advocates for genocide in this conflict is the Palestinian side. I oppose genocide, which is why I stand with Israel.
load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (8 replies)