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Live coverage thread of the International Court of Justice and the case of South Africa vs. Israel.

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[–] TheBananaKing@lemmy.world 49 points 8 months ago (33 children)

They didn't really call for it to stop military action though. They called for it to stop doing things intended to be genocide; I predict that Israel will just disagree that it intends genocide, and keep on doing it.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago (26 children)

Ruling that the Palestinians are a protected class under the Genocide conventions is pretty big though...

From the live thread:

"7m ago 07.43 EST International Court of Justice orders Israel to prevent genocide in Gaza Judge Donoghue says the court has decided that Israel must “take all measures within its its power” to prevent all acts within the scope of the genocide convention.

She adds that Israel must ensure “with immediate effect” that its forces do not commit any of the act in the genocide convention.

Israel must also take immediate measures to improve the humanitarian situation in Gaza."

and:

"14m ago 07.37 EST ICJ recognises right of Palestinians in Gaza to be protected from acts of genocide Judge Donoghue, speaking now at the ICJ, said at least some rights sought by South Africa in its genocide case against Israel’s war in Gaza are plausible. She said: “A link exists between the rights claimed by South Africa that the court has found plausible and at least some of the provisional measures requested.”

With the reading still ongoing, the court said it recognises the right of Palestinians in Gaza to be protected from acts of genocide. Palestinians appear to be a protected group under the genocide convention, the court said.

Friday’s ruling at the International Court of Justice (ICJ) does not deal with the core accusation of the case – whether genocide occurred – but will focus on the urgent intervention sought by South Africa."

Also, statements by Israel are pretty fucking damning IMO:

"20m ago 07.33 EST Judge Donoghue is detailing comments made by Israeli officials during the war, including:

Defence minister Yoav Gallant saying he had ordered “complete siege” of Gaza City”, and later said “we will eliminate everything” and that Israel was fighting “human animals”.

President Isaac Herzog saying, “It’s an entire nation out there that is responsible”."

[–] DarkGamer@kbin.social -1 points 8 months ago (12 children)

Palestinians are a national group and should qualify under the statutes, I didn't think that was ever under question. Hamas, however, is a political group and therefore not protected. If those Israeli statements refer to them, I don't believe they violate any statutes.

Israel was fighting “human animals”.

If this referred to Hamas militants, not Palestinians in general, it is not incitement to genocide.

President Isaac Herzog saying, “It’s an entire nation out there that is responsible”.”

An entire nation did in fact elect Hamas to power and to this day they enjoy popular support among Palestinians, which would in fact make them responsible for everything that followed from their leadership. Pointing this out is not incitement to violence against them.

[–] Retrowizard@piefed.social 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Except Hamas is the excuse and was never the real target. The real target are and always have been the Palestinian people.

The popularity of Hamas is a consequence of 70+ years of subjugation under control of the settlers. The genocide of Palestinians didn't start 100+ days ago; it started with the Nakba.

[–] DarkGamer@kbin.social -1 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Except Hamas is the excuse and was never the real target. The real target are and always have been the Palestinian people.

Perhaps it seems that way because of the popular support of Hamas and intifada in Palestine, the fact that Hamas is comprised of Palestinians, and because they hide among civilians to maximize collateral damage.

The popularity of Hamas is a consequence of 70+ years of subjugation under control of the settlers. The genocide of Palestinians didn't start 100+ days ago; it started with the Nakba.

And why did the Nakba happen? All the jew murdering. Jews started out legally buying lands until they were murdered and genocided and ethnically cleansed by Arab nationalists and neighboring Arab countries allied with Palestine. It's incredible you see the constant aggressors as the victims.

This is what happened when the shoe was on the other foot:

For the first time in 1,000 years not a single Jew remains in the Jewish Quarter. Not a single building remains intact. This makes the Jews' return here impossible

"The operations of calculated destruction were set in motion. I Knew that the Jewish Quarter was densely populated with Jewish populations who caused their fighters a good deal of interference and difficulty. I embarked, therefore on shelling of the quarter with mortars creating harassment and destruction. Only for days after our entry into Jerusalem, the Jewish Quarter become their graveyard. Death and destruction reigned over it. As the down of May 28th was about to break, the Jewish Quarter emerged in convulsive cloud-a cloud of death and agony"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamization_of_Jerusalem

Yet somehow Israel is the bad guy and must be restrained, It is Israel who is genocidal for defending themselves, not the explicitly genocidal Hamas, not the constantly belligerent terrorists next door who target civilians and want to destroy Israel in whole in or in part.

[–] SwampYankee@mander.xyz 1 points 8 months ago

Your quote from the Jordanian commander dates to after the Nakba. There was significant intercommunal conflict in Mandatory Palestine because of the mismanagement of Jewish migration by Britain, and escalating tensions from the "legal" land purchases you mentioned that had been occurring since the late 1800s. Yes, Jews attempted to purchase and settle uninhabited land, but the fact is big chunks of the land purchased were misappropriated under the Ottoman Land Code, and European Jews frequently expelled (by force if the implication wasn't clear) the Arab Muslims they found living on it, who may have had no idea it was sold out from under them.

[–] Retrowizard@piefed.social 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

And why did the Nakba happen? All the jew murdering.

And that somehow justifies the displacement and genocide of the Palestinian people.

Yet somehow Israel is the bad guy and must be restrained, It is Israel who is genocidal for defending themselves, not the explicitly genocidal Hamas, not the constantly belligerent terrorists next door who target civilians and want to destroy Israel in whole in or in part.

Because it's the Settlers that are commiting genocide.

[–] DarkGamer@kbin.social -2 points 8 months ago
  • Starting a war and losing does in fact arguably justify annexation. Distance from those trying to murder you provides safety and security.
  • Peacefully living with Jews seems to have worked out pretty well for the Arabic 21% of Israel who stayed and currently enjoy full citizenship rights, it's a shame those who left chose violence and continue to choose violence.
  • The only side that has committed genocide in this conflict or that to this day advocates for genocide in this conflict is the Palestinian side. I oppose genocide, which is why I stand with Israel.
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