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I'm curious what people's thoughts are about Matter. This is the first I'm hearing of it.

I've been trying to find a way to replace my old Chromecast Ultra (because Google), but I really like having that little cast button show up in apps, even on the phones of guests. But from what I can tell, Google killed this functionality on open alternatives (ex. Raspicast) with a lockdown to the Chromecast spec.

I'm hopeful that Matter could be a way to have my devices cast streams to each other in a standardized way that wouldn't require me to rely on Google/Apple/Amazon/etc. Maybe even Newpipe could get in on the action?

I don't know how it will work, or if this "Connected Standards Alliance" (which is apparently used to be the ZigBee Alliance, also news to me) will still have to greenlight specific devices despite it being "open", which would rule out Newpipe. I would assume the official YouTube apps will be particularly resistant to supporting Matter.

Anyone have any experience here? Has anyone else successfully replaced their media device with something open that also works with the casting button in apps?

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[–] deafboy@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago (3 children)

What's wrong with miracast? Almost every device sold these days has some kind of radio, but no way to talk to each other. Releasing a new standard every few years won't help much.

[–] teawrecks@sopuli.xyz 20 points 10 months ago

I don't know the specifics of Miracast, but my impression was that it is specifically used to cast a video stream from one device to another device. That is sometimes useful, but not what I typically use my Chromecast for.

The most useful feature of my Chromecast is the ability to be logged into Plex/Netflix/HBO/Spotify/YouTube/etc on my (or my guest's) mobile device, and effectively send a link and a (probably ephemeral) token to the Chromecast so that it can stream directly from the server to the Chromecast without my mobile device spending battery power and bandwidth being a middle-man.

And I assume the difficult part here is down to copyright reasons. Most of those streaming sites already limit the number of devices you can permit to stream content (which sucks, but is besides the point), so my impression is that they need to have some kind of under-the-table agreement with the Chromecast/Roku/Firestick/Apple TV/etc. folks to ensure that the device will correctly validate the credentials, not save any of the content, and properly dispose of everything when it's done. And I assume Google has similar talks about when a device on the network is allowed to be listed as a casting device to apps.

Does Miracast already handle this?

[–] BakedCatboy@lemmy.ml 16 points 10 months ago

Isn't Miracast for sending video data? The thing I like about Chromecast is that the phone or remote app just tells the Chromecast where to load the media directly from, and then only sends playback control commands. That makes it a lot lighter resource wise because you don't need to proxy the stream through a device like a phone that wants to go to sleep to save battery.