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[–] chaogomu@kbin.social 15 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Don't kill them at all, because at least 4% of them are completely innocent.

An error rate that large is just insane.

When you add in the non-death row cases, that number is actually larger. Because our criminal punishment system needs massive reform. I do not call it a justice system, because there is no justice in it.

[–] trackcharlie@lemmynsfw.com -1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Refer to my reply to the other guy, I mentioned this and agree with you.

We should be furthering financing of better investigations into people that go to prison or death row and just shooting the people that do deserve it.

[–] chaogomu@kbin.social 6 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Except no.

We should not give the government the power to kill at all. If you let the government kill people, that power will be abused.

[–] Remmock@kbin.social 1 points 10 months ago

“For social order we need tighter reigns! Incarceration hasn't worked as a deterrent, I say we expand execution to include lesser crimes!” - Chief Judge Griffin, Judge Dredd (1995)

[–] pete_the_cat@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The government already has the power to kill people, what do you think happens in a war? The only difference is that they're not killing their own citizens.

[–] chaogomu@kbin.social 1 points 10 months ago

Yes, that's the power that needs to be stripped away.

The government should not have the power to kill its own citizens, not under any circumstances. This includes police. They should face actual, external investigation for every bullet fired, and if they kill, that's it. They're not a cop anymore. If the death was justified (a big ask) they can get free retraining and a small stipend for a few years. If not, they get a full trial for murder.

All deaths in prison should also get a full investigation, with murder charges possible.

[–] trackcharlie@lemmynsfw.com -3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

All power is abused because humans are human. Pretending like it's an issue of government and not of human nature is hilarious

[–] chaogomu@kbin.social 1 points 10 months ago

It is an issue of human nature.

But the point is, don't give out a power that will be abused. It's that fucking simple.

Do not give the government the power to kill its own citizens, and the government will stop abusing that power. I don't know why this is a hard concept to understand.