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The United Nations' top court opens hearings Thursday into South Africa's allegation that Israel's war with Hamas amounts to genocide against Palestinians, a claim that Israel strongly denies.

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[–] VikingHippie@lemmy.wtf 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Hamas is not an ethnic group

True, but they're only PART of the target group. The target group is all Palestinians, over half of whom are innocent women and children.

Israel warns or attempts to move civilian populations away from bombing targets

They don't. In fact, they order civiliansTO bombing sites

Israel has done those measures the entire conflict.

No they haven't. Stop lying.

Because genocide requires intent

For which there is ample fucking evidence!

[–] bustrpoindextr@lemmy.world -1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

First off, please read my fucking comments, I don't support what the Israel government is doing. You're having an emotional response because I'm showing this situation is more complicated.

None of that is "ample fucking evidence" if I'm lying so are you.

I'm sorry this conflict is more complicated than you'd like, but one person who happens to be in a government making a statement does not mean that's the government's opinion. You need this thing called evidence. Give me a whistle blower, give me documents. Don't give me one or two crazy people, there are crazy people everywhere and they aren't representative of everyone.

Do you think that it's America's opinion that there are Jewish space lasers? Because MTG an American politician made that comment. Or that after rape you should get a shot of estrogen from the ER, that one's from Ron Paul. Those must be America's opinion according to the logic you're presenting.

Also with regards to the safe zone issues. If that happened frequently you'd have an argument, and if it keeps happening that's great evidence. But it's not happened that much so it's going to be really easy to argue that it was an accident, a misfire, broken communication etc etc etc.

Again, there are war crimes Israel has committed, if you take them to kangaroo court, you should come at them correctly.

[–] VikingHippie@lemmy.wtf 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

First off, please read my fucking comments,

I read your fucking comments. You start out by saying you don't condone the atrocities and then you rattle off a bunch of long disproved Israeli government propaganda in defense of the actions you supposedly don't approve of and in an attempt to say that it's not genocide.

That's not "things being more complicated", that's tired "both sides are bad so this one isn't that bad" bullshit that hinges on a shitload of false premises.

You're having an emotional response because I'm showing this situation is more complicated.

You're halfway right: I'm reacting with annoyance and disgust at your pathetic attempts to muddy the waters of what is the worst genocide the world has seen since the Balkan wars of the 90s.

Regardless of anything else going on, the most important questions have simple yes and no answers:

  1. does it fulfill all but one of the 5 characteristics of genocide? Yes.

2)Does that make it genocide? Yes.

  1. is genocide ever acceptable, under any circumstances? No.

You need this thing called evidence. Give me a whistle blower, give me documents. Don't give me one or two crazy people

Dude, the least reliable source of the 4 I gave was Newsweek. The others were Huffington Post, CNN and Haaretz (THE most trusted newspaper in Israel) citing sources within the Israeli government itself.

In what fucking world is that "one or two crazy people"??

As for the rest of your ramblings, they're so off base and unhinged that I'm not going to waste any time and effort addressing them.

Have the day you deserve.

[–] bustrpoindextr@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

In what fucking world is that "one or two crazy people"??

Did you even read the sources you sent me? Because it's this world. Like random politicians making crazy claims is not evidence(hence me bringing up MTG and friends). Your crazy ramblings are getting old.

And I guess calling Israel out for war crimes is "disproved Israeli government propaganda"? You clearly haven't read my comments.

I hope you have the day you deserve too. (I'll give you a hint, the day you deserve is a day in middle school English class to work on your reading comprehension)