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Donald Trump told the president of the European Commission in 2020 that the US would “never come help” if Europe was attacked and also said “Nato is dead”, a senior European commissioner said.

Multiple news outlets said the exchange between Trump and Ursula von der Leyen at the World Economic Forum in Davos in 2020 was described in Brussels on Tuesday by Thierry Breton, a French European commissioner responsible for the internal market, with responsibilities including defence.

“You need to understand that if Europe is under attack we will never come to help you and to support you,” Trump said, according to Breton, who was speaking at the European parliament.

According to Breton, Trump also said: “By the way, Nato is dead, and we will leave, we will quit Nato.”

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[–] logicbomb@lemmy.world 90 points 9 months ago (6 children)

The strangest thing about this, to me, is that it's obvious that another Trump presidency would be disaster for a lot of governments in Europe, but what are they actually doing about it?

All I see are the massively successful disinformation campaigns coming out of Russia.

[–] HWK_290@lemmy.world 57 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Probably occupied staving off the same disinformation and right wing lunatics set to sweep their elections this year...

[–] jose1324@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

And failing hard to do so

[–] whaleross@lemmy.world 27 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Swede here, in the revolving door of maybe NATO membership. I'd prefer the EU to have our own military union that is affiliated with NATO but isn't devoted to American interests. Unfortunately it seems too late for such considerations with our right wing government signing treaties as fast as they can. Thanks, Putin.

[–] fastandcurious@lemmy.world 30 points 9 months ago (8 children)

Why is every country electing a right wing government? They are literally good for fucking nothing, what good have they done ever for anyone?

[–] Fixbeat@lemmy.ml 14 points 9 months ago (2 children)

They are good for one thing, hating other people.

[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I disagree, I'm not right-wing and I'm much better at hating people. Just for better reasons.

[–] Slotos@feddit.nl 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Hating other people, not hating people. That one word is important.

[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Lmao, while I'm good at hating myself, I'm good at hating other people too.

[–] Slotos@feddit.nl 1 points 9 months ago

You would think so.

And the masses love their daily hour of hate. Really gets the blood pumping.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago (1 children)

In tough times people turn to strongmen.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world -5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Now that's a reply that can be copy/pasted to loads of questions! Bravo!

[–] DarkDarkHouse@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 9 months ago

In tough times, people like to make things worse

[–] Meowoem@sh.itjust.works 8 points 9 months ago

Because they promise easy solutions to impossible problems, promise to push the pain and hardship onto someone else, promise to make life easier and simpler and to chase away all the things that make it difficult.

The fact they do the opposite doesn't matter

[–] hglman@lemmy.ml 4 points 9 months ago

Bc the only outride the status quo options the wealth-controlled media will promote as viable is the far right.

[–] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

The result of the rich owning all media, spreading misinformation to get even more tax cuts and subsidies. Right wing politics come in many flavors these days but they always favor the interest of some very wealthy groups and then distract the masses with more lies.

[–] whaleross@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

They are very good for the economic elite and voted to power by idiots that think they'll reap a fraction of the benefits of the economic elite. Also bigots and extremists love the right wing because everything in society will get worse so more people will be uphappy which will in turn feed more xenophobia and more extremism.

[–] Kidplayer_666@lemm.ee 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Usual reason. Traditional parties for one reason or another get incompetent leaders unable to grow the economy and improve living standards, young people lose hope and stop joining the traditional parties, which means they have no new flux of talent, meaning things are ripe for populists to take over. Often times, one of the establishment parties positions itself in such a way it claims it is the final defence against populism, negating the traditional opposition (prime example: Macron). Most European countries have had a bad experience with communism more recently than with Nazis, which means the right wing parties tend to have an easier time as they are farther away from memory

[–] Psychodelic@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

"incompetent"

Looks over at soaring corporate profits.

Right... sure

[–] Kidplayer_666@lemm.ee 2 points 9 months ago

If you are ever able, come to Portugal. Beautiful country, my home. Some of the grossest mismanagement I've ever seen, and the opposition hasn't been able to put up good candidates for a while now, and despite the awful state of public services and the economy, the several scandals, there is a reasonable chance that the party that is in government will remain in power. (also a chance of a parliament deadlock)

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] whaleross@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

Treaties is maybe not the right word in English. NATO application for one, American military facilities in Sweden is another.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 20 points 9 months ago (1 children)

what are they actually doing about it?

Europe can't do anything about it, that's interfering with another country's politics.

[–] Cypher@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago

Yea the US has never done that, especially not to its “allies” so of course none of those “allies” are allowed to do it to the US.

[–] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

European countries have actually been spending a lot more on military lately. Whether that has something to do with the threat of another Trump presidency or the threat from Russia, I don't know. Maybe both.

[–] angstylittlecatboy@reddthat.com 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Trump presidency or the threat from Russia

What's the difference? (see also: AFD, National Rally, Tories)

[–] Amaltheamannen@lemmy.ml 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Many European countries have massively increased military spending and are reviving disbanded military units. What more do you expect them to do?

[–] eskimofry@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

I guess the parent comment is implying they should have their own misinformation agenda to steer trump?