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Got to love how ambiguous this statement is. Are you saying it wouldn't have been better to not have an insurrection in the first place?
I'm not making things up, I'm saying there is an implication that Prigozhin's most loyal troops, at least some of the 5,000-8,000 people who were involved in the march, might be going with him to Belarus. I can't imagine they'll want to stay in Russia any more than Prigozhin after this. They won't be allowed to work with the MoD, but they've been given protection under the deal and they have to go somewhere. Following Prigozhin to Belarus seems most likely.
It's certainly less far fetched than you saying that all of Wagner will be integrated into the MoD, which directly contradicts Dmitry Peskov's statement outlining the deal. Only some of Wagner will be given the opportunity to sign contracts. Up to 20,000 will have the opportunity, but not all will sign.
>PMC contractors who refused to take part in the mutiny - and whole units did not - will be allowed to sign contracts with the Russian Defense Ministry, Peskov said.
You are literally making things up here. There is zero actual evidence to support your claim that any wagner troops are following Prigozhin anywhere. You just pulled this out of your ass based what you can and can't imagine, and trying to sell that as some fact here.
Meanwhile, read the link you yourself posted till you understand what it says.
I didn't present anything as fact, you're the one distorting things here. I simply pointed out that many thousands of Wagner troops won't be a part of the Russian military anymore, and suggested that the most likely thing they will do is continue following their current leader.
It seems like a recurring tactic of yours is to deflect people to other things, without actually arguing a single specific point yourself.
There is nothing likely about that statement. The fact that you believe an absurdity does not make it likely. The facts don't support your assertions. And I don't need to keep justifying myself to you here. The only recurring tactic here is you confidently asserting nonsensical things and then acting like they're obviously true.
What any reasonable person would do is suggest an alternative likelihood. What will happen to the 5,000+ Wagner troops that the MoD won't allow to sign contracts?
If the 5,000 troops aren't going to be allowed to sign contracts with the MoD then they obviously become civilians. One has to be living in an alternate reality to think that they're just going to follow Prigozhin around like some praetorian guard. The fact that you even consider this to be a likely scenario shows that you have absolutely no understanding of the situation in Russia.
Most of these troops were part of the Storm-Z forces, people who were taken out of prison and granted freedom in exchange for service.
It's about as likely as Prigozhin making it safely to Belarus. One way or another, many of Prigozhin's troops are probably going to follow him.
You certainly sound like you're an expert on the subject, so whatever you say there.
The other technique you always resort to is attacking the credibility of the person you're arguing with, rather than arguing any specific point. This suggests you know your reasoning is weak.
Just to recap, you've made a bunch of speculation that isn't grounded in any actual facts. Then when you got called out on doing that you started spewing more nonsense. Now you're claiming that it's actually my reasoning that's weak. What an utter 🤡 you are.
You're completely forgetting the part where you said all of Wagner would be integrated into the Russian military, in contradiction with official statements.
The organization will be integrated, and there will be no more wagner as an independent PMC. It's absolutely hilarious you're still here, it's like you just need to keep talking because deep down you realize how wrong you are and you think that if you just keep adding more comments you'll dig yourself out in some way. 😂
What's hilarious is that you deflect and throw shade rather than admitting your mistake.
Wagner is not signing contracts, some troops from within Wagner are being given the opportunity to sign contracts. Not all of these will sign.
It's ok to admit you didn't explain things properly, you know. Rather than digging further and hoping you'll either bury others in your piles or get deep enough that no one will bother to look for you anymore.
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Ahem.
Putin literally offered what I said some troops might do.
Yeah, that's different from your claim that there would be a wagner in Belarus. Anybody with a couple of brain cells to bang together understands that Belarus wouldn't want a rogue PMC any more than Russia would after what happened. It's frankly stunning that you can't understand that and still trying to pretend like you had a valid point. The fact that you're still commenting on this thread is kind of hilarious. Seems like it's living rent free in your head.
Where did I say there would be Wagner in Belarus?
How many brain cells do you need to bang together before you start seeing sense?
I just love how you have this compulsive need to reply. Read your comments when you're sober maybe.
I have a compulsive need to call out bullshit where I see it, and you just keep giving me compulsions.
If by call out you mean spew, then you're bang on.
Where have I said anything that was bullshit? You're the one who kept making statements that contradict official announcements, all in an effort to throw petty insults that don't even hit the mark. You miss on your points, you miss on your attacks.
whatever helps you sleep at night
Damn lol someone else thinks your replies are low effort. I'm gonna give you an upvote out of sympathy.
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