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And the product now is traaaash.
I used to use duolingo to learn every language whenever I visited a country, and I can't use it at all anymore.
As someone who is a current user and unaware of superior options but is curious, what would you recommend?
I likes busuu a lot, felt a lot like old Duolingo, but with more relevant lessons. Duo can introduce potentially unhelpful vocabulary and grammar very early on, and now with the crown system every lesson just feels like pedantic repetition, busuu is fun, properly leveled, and has native speakers, with the Chinese course at least.
I'd be curious to hear which language you try and how it turns out for you since I've only done Chinese so far.
Never heard of busuu before, but tried it now and am enjoying it a lot. Thank you!
It's also worth giving a shout-out to LibreLingo, which aims to be an open source version of Duolingo. For now it's only Spanish though, and as I'm not interested in learning Spanish at the moment I haven't gotten any real use out of it.
Oh awesome, I appreciate the rec, I'll check it out. Thanks!
I still use it, and it works great for me. Why do say the program is trash?
I can't stand the new layout with the crowns and hearts. Like you haven't learned something unless you've repeated it multiple times, it's disheartening to spend ten minutes in a lesson and get a nearly in discernible bump in a progress indicator.
And then the heart system is crazy, like you're only allowed to study if you don't make mistakes. That's negative reinforcement and makes the process of learning much less fun.
I can't really progress at the pace I want to anymore, it feels more like a mandated curriculum that only allows me to learn the way someone else thinks I should at the speed someone else thinks I should, which I don't think helps the learning process either.
Also, they've removed all of the fun shop outfits and items I can buy with those crystals, so you get the crystals for no reason, where you used to be able to dress up duo or, I can't even remember anymore, but there were tons of uses for those crystals. So now I have like 10,000 crystals and I can buy streak freezes exclusively with them?
I don't have fun learning with duo anymore, and there are plenty of apps that allow me to enjoy studying and learning at my own pace, regardless of how many mistakes I make in the process.
I hear all of that. I also miss the champagne tracksuit :) and the ability to do my weird waterfall practice method to force spaced repetition out of my lessons. I'm not sure that I'm learning any less with the way they've set it up, though.
As to the hearts, I subscribed about a year ago for that reason. It's always been an issue on the app, but I don't think it's gotten better or worse. AFAIK, hearts are still unlimited on the website (though that definitely doesn't work for me. I practice twice a day, and I'm usually not at my computer when I do.)
The one thing that is driving my bonkers right now is that they just asked if I want to sync my contacts. NO! I do NOT want to friend my cousin. Leave me in peace -- I only do anonymous social media for a reason. If this goes further down the social media pieline, I'll have to reconsider and find something else.
In the meantime, I love it, and my ability to communicate in my chosen language is exhilarating.
I still love learning languages, and I used to recommend duolingo to every single person who asked me how I learned new languages, but the social media thing you mentioned is a brazen symbol of a company trying to over capitalize and over expand the system that already worked so well.
Nothing was broke, and they tried to "fix" it, and in addition to that, got rid of fun things like yeah the champagne tracksuit or other little bibs and bobs for no discernible reason.
I also practice exclusively on my phone.
I am glad it's still working for you, though.