Turned in the perception of Ukranians. The Azov movement was seen by many Ukranians for what they where.. right wing extremists they had no legitimacy. But when Russia invaded they fought the Russians tooth and nail, legitimizing them.

Biden articulated what Putin was saying himself. Joining NATO is the choice of a souverein nation and using that as an excuse for invasion is just that.. an excuse.

So no, I don't think I see it reversed. And what we are seeing unfold is clear. You claim to be anti imperialist but when Russia does it it's OK?

The war is horrible and can end with Russia withdrawing to within their own borders, but that won't happen as Putin will be punished by his "own" and replaced with someone else to do it.

[–] carl_marks_1312@lemmy.ml 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

After the dissolution of the SU, you had a friendly Russia and an expectations that NATO is going to disband especially since the Warsaw pact was a reaction to it. Why have NATO still? Who was the enemy? (No it's not a Defensive force and never was). The disbanding never happened. Even Putins Russia tried to join it 3-4 times. When you see former Warsaw pact members change regime and join NATO shortly afterwards you know what's up and what's coming for you. Invading Ukraine was preemptive and a reaction to NATO expansion. It's the causus belli. So yes you have it reversed. Even war hawks like Mearshheimer ane Kissinger are/were saying this

[–] Tosti@feddit.nl 0 points 11 months ago

Sure, if that's your take there is no use further discussing it.