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Biden was ruining things when he was younger too. He pushed the crime bill and pushed to make student loans non-dischargeable through bankruptcy. However he's now forgiven since he pardoned a small fraction of the prisoners he helped imprison and forgave a small fraction of the student loans he helped build up. Most progressive president in modern US history!!!1
Nobody is saying Biden is great, I agree we could do better. So stop with the whataboutism. If it weren't against Trump, there might be more tradeoffs to talk about. But right now it's pretty much "anyone but Trump"
Any other poorly-applied buzzwords like "whataboutism" you'd like to apply? It doesn't stop with trump. Before trump was bush, and the message was "we gotta stop bush". It's not a "just this time" sort of deal. Democrats will keep promoting the shittiest candidates and then say that we must vote them in because the alternative is worse. It doesn't end.
When one of the candidates claims they will be a dictator then any other candidate will automatically be better.
The moral gap between the candidates has never been wider.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvUEsm0wNIA
This is nothing new.
Whataboutism isn't a buzzword, it's a logical fallacy. Its exactly what you are saying, "what about Biden though!" while completely ignoring the point being discussed, which is that we want an alternative to trump
It is a buzzword because people like you misuse the hell out of it. I wasn't even the one who brought up biden, I was responding to a post that talked about him. It's like you've never had a conversation with a human before. Conversations can involve more than one laser-point-focused subject.
Name another president since Carter that is more progressive. We’ll wait.
I'm waiting too, because democrats won't let one get through.
So you’re complaining about Biden but admit he’s the most progressive president in 50 years. Sounds about on brand for progressives.
No one is denying that biden is the most progressive president that will democrats will allow through, so it's not much of an admission. This isn't the gotcha you think it is. That you're satisfied with a bar so low that it reaches into the core of the Earth sounds about on brand for a diehard democrat such as yourself.
I'm not a democrat and I'm certainly not a huge fan of Biden. But he's not demented and he's the best president for progressives in 50 years. Yet progressives act like there is no difference between Biden and Trump. The reason you're not getting a reasonable progressive candidate/president is that nothing is ever good enough for progressives.
If you're not a democrat, you still certainly talk like a democratic party PR bot. Asking for health care or to not be under loads of student loan debt is not too much to ask for, but apparently it is for you and the rest of the Biden cheerleaders who think we should all be happy with the garbage-ass president that the democrats pushed through as president. Progressives wanted Bernie. Bernie was the compromise and even then Biden doesn't hold a candle to Bernie. Biden is fucking garbage, so you touting that he's the most progressive president that the democrats will allow only makes you and the democratic party (that you supposedly aren't a fan of) look bad.
QED. Nobody takes progressives seriously because all they do is complain. Fact: Biden is the most progressive president in 50 years. And because progressives like you think he’s “trash” you’re going to get Trump back. How’s that noseless face feel?
If you were alive at the time, you'd probably be telling black people to shut up and be happy with jim crow laws because that was the most progressive state of things since slavery.
Don’t be an asshole and assume what I think about this. I’m not even a progressive and I know the way to get more progressive policies is to be positive about the accomplishments more than being negative about the failures. You fail and your approach is having the opposite effect that you want.
I'm not assuming, I'm basing this off your posts. By the way, if you're not a progressive and you're not a democrat, then what are you?
you are doing great