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Oh jeez that's a shame. It at least makes me feel better about not being on Android anymore...I missed NewPipe, but if it holds a weak stance like that as a project then I'd rather use something better anyway.
There is no ethical advertising.
As the reply here said: The absolute statement is completely wrong, since hearing of a product from someone else, even a friend, is advertising. Talking positevely about a movie, tv show can be seen as advertising that show. Seeing an ad that is not targeted is also ok. And finally people need to eat and earn money on the internet, either you sell a product (which needs advertising) or you are the person who does that promo or advert. Not everyone can live off Of Patreon or Donations.
Ignoring the nitpicking of what "advertising" means, no they don't. The internet doesn't have to be an avenue for people to make money. You may prefer that to be the case, but it is not an absolute requirement. Personally, I would prefer this ad-driven web collapse entirely so that the only web pages are small sustainable passion projects.
I disagree with the absolute statement there
Advertising that sticks to accurate facts (free of exaggeration and lies), and is displayed only based on what you're currently looking at (not a profile created from your past behaviour) seems pretty ethical to me
When we read the news, we care not just about accuracy but relevance. It's no good presenting a bunch of true facts and reporting nothing about the most important issues of our time. In fact, doing so is misinforming people.
Advertising is the same. Just because a company has the most money doesn't mean their products are deserving of our brain space.
What you're referring to is a "lie by omission", which is a form of lying, which I believe I already covered
In my opinion it's possible for advertisements to be ethical, but they would be nothing like the ones we see today. I had a comment on a philosophy-post about that. It would come down to two criteria, namely neutrality and consent. That means the advertisements are more like honest reviews, not made or paid by the company that sells the product, but independently and voluntarily made. And consent means the ones who consume the advertisements genuinely want to experience them. One could argue that YouTube advertisements are not like that, as they are promoted by the companies and people generally consume them only since they thought they had no choice in order to watch the video.
Advertising is inherently biased. What you describe, "not made or paid by the seller" is NOT advertising.
Imagine I came to you and say "would you like this sandwich?". You might take it, if you felt hungry or liked the filling. Now imagine I come up to you and say "I'll pay you 100 (insert currency) to eat this sandwich". Suddenly, the sandwich becomes decidedly less appealling...
The sandwich is advertising, and eating it is exposing it to your brain. If it were really beneficial to you, no one would be getting paid.
If what i described is not advertisement, then how would you call it? It sounds like a very important thing to define. Not everything is commercial or meant to be. And do you at least agree that advertisements should have consent? That was the other criterium.
Advertising is by definition sponsored. If I tell you I think a product is good, and I'm not getting paid, that's just called advice.
I have searched just now "define: advertisement" on the duckduckgo search engine. This is the first result. It states that an advertisement is just "a public notice", no sponsorship required.
I read freetube could be installed through flatpak, or similar, on pine64, though I don't know if freetube adapts well to a phone form factor. A QML/Qt newpipe like front end sounds missing on mobile gnu+linux, :(