Banned from c/vegan for this one. My bad.
Captions: Anakin Padme 4-panel:
- "I'm going to make everyone go vegan and eat soybeans."
- "So we won't destroy any more ecosystems, right?"
- ...
- "We won't destroy any more ecosystems, right?"
this post was submitted on 15 Apr 2022
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Yeah wow. Convincing people to stop killing and eating animals is hard enough, what would be the better option? Making people kill themselves? That sounds like a practical alternativw
For real? Pull your head out of your vegan high-horse! Just sit in the sea of ideas for a while and listen to your own mind to see if some new thought comes along.
For the situation of ecological destruction to grow crops, it needs more consideration if you're vacillating between denial and universal human genocide.
Alternatively, accept that the vegans and the carnists are sitting in the same clump on the "humane spectrum". One doesn't get to opt-out of moral culpability by being vegan.
"Same clump" ? So the average USAian sits in the same clump as the average Ethiopian because both eat so they both impact their environment. The fact that that lifestyle of the first emits dozen of times the CO2 of the other have no relevance whatsoever ?
I am still not sure what your point is?
We have to eat something and a vegan diet is one where we minimize land use by directly consuming the "raw" materials instead of a middle-men that introduce a significant amount of energy loss.
It is definitely necessary to improve the way modern agriculture works. Large monocultures do not provide a healthy ecosystem and we should work on creating a diverse and vibrant ecosystem. I really liked the movie The Biggest Little Farm that showed an alternative (despite them endorsing omnivore diets).
Playing devils advocate here, but there are dryland areas that are most effectively utilized by pastoralism for example, which is of course a non-vegan lifestyle, and there are also ways to grow shrimp on microorganisms for example that could not be consumed directly by humans.
Wtf I dont think you actually refer to my comment here