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With all the UI changes on every version in the last few years that simply isn't true. Windows is becoming harder and harder to use even if you know what you are doing, much less if you don't know half the computer related terminology.
Actually, not really. It's becoming more like what a smart device would look/feel, which is what most people are accustomed to anyway by now. Sure, options and settings get removed left and right, but that is not a concern for your every day Joe. They just need something to do their taxes in or watch a movie or play a few dumb clips on YT, that's it. Oh and of course it comes preinstalled with the computer, so they can do all that out of the box, great!
You ask any person that uses MS Office whether they like the pre-2007 menu layout (1997-2003) of Office or the new (post-2007) menu layout, you'll always get the same answer, the post-2007 is better. Why? I really have no idea, but they say it's better. Maybe it's the thing with the icon buttons, or just having a ribbon with the most used tools, IDK. My point is, LibreOffice uses the pre-2007 classical layout. For most people, this is confusing. I find it simple and elegant, the way a GUI text/spreadsheet editor should look and feel. But, than again, I'm with computers since I was a kid, so drop down menus are not a new thing for me. People rarely use any menu that's not a full screen one (or at least one that's big enough to take away at least half the screen). Why? IDK, but I think smart devices are to blame for that.
That is bad but what bothers me more is that they get moved every time they publish a new version and for no real reason considering the average person won't access them anyway.
They want even those power users that are used to tweaking the OS to not tweak the OS and just get used to the new defaults (whatever they might be). A perfect example being no thin taskbar in Win11. Why? IDK, you tell me ๐คท. Not everyone has a FullHD monitor (I don't), but hey, maybe you need to buy a new one ๐. Consumerism maybe behind this, but I can't be certain.
In any case, most users will eventually get accustomed to the new defaults. Very few users will say "f this" and switch to another OS and they don't actually care about those users, cuz they would have switched eventually anyway (if it wasn't for this, some other thing most probably).
Unfortunately, Windows becoming better and better. You can literally run Linux while running Windows (that's why coders still use Windows) and now you can even remove pre installed bloatware. Can you imagine? They even copy KDE look!
Are you talking about WSL!? WSL is not even close to actual Linux. Additionally, if I need to run Linux while using Windows, I will be using a VM like a seasoned professional, not the Windows equivalent of Wine in 2008.
Can you describe the essentials of what WSL is? Does it map UNIX file structure to Windows' one? Can I access the Windows FS through it? Does it have POSIX commands?
I heard/seen a lot of people using either WSL or "Ubuntu terminal" and I don't have any interest because I don't plan on using anything like this in my life, but I do want to at least understand what benefits it brings and can you replicate the true Linux terminal experience on Windows without creating a VM that have different FS from the host. Basically, I want to know if I still have any strings that I can pull to convert people to Linux, because there amount of such strings decreases every so slightly with every year, it seems.
Put simply, Linux is a kernel; WSL is a partial emulator of that kernel with exceedingly little support for the programs that attract people to it.
As one popular example, there's no support for anything graphical. I've heard a lot about how the feature is coming, but I've yet to meet anyone who got it to work.
Under-the-hood, you are still using the bloated Windows kernel, a now 30-year-old file system which was flawed to begin with (NTFS) or something newish that's closely related to it, and you're facing the same exhausting privacy violations that MS has been in hot water for; except you get to do it with bash instead.
I tried it on my laptop that had Windows 11 pre-installed, and I cannot imagine how they're attracting anyone other than middle management and freshmen boot camp engineers with it. Apparently they found out that Ubuntu could be side-loaded in two minutes and panicked or something.
Addendum: WSL2 is apparently less of an emulator and more of a stripped-down VM, but again, how that appeals to me more than a full VM with drag-and-drop support is beyond me. Maybe someone else can give you a use case that's worked for them.
Thanks. Yeah, I've heard about WSL2 (as if the first implementation shouldn't have also been the last one). But many probably refer to both as WSL without version number.
Sure thing.