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[–] wesker@lemmy.sdf.org 160 points 10 months ago (11 children)

Drivers shouldn't be allowed to see the tip amount prior to delivery completion. That, or tipping shouldn't be allowed until after completion. I hate this more recent model of tipping before receiving service. Because as you said, it's a bid for service, not an acknowledgement of good service.

[–] Nollij@sopuli.xyz 68 points 10 months ago (11 children)

Flip it around - why would you work a job, any job, where you don't know your pay until after the work is done?

"Tipping" is rich-people speak for shifting the expense (and blame) to the customer.

[–] Bonehead@kbin.social 57 points 10 months ago (37 children)

They already know the pay. If the pay isn't enough without the tip, then maybe they should consider getting a different job.

[–] limonfiesta@lemmy.world 26 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

You realize that gig economy is the neoliberal slang for a poverty class work, but without the rights of workers, right?

So you're criticizing people who are forced by the system in which we live, to be ordered around by a fucking algorithm, and then take abuse from people who have enough money to NOT work in the gig economy, but no where near enough to actually own the servant class they get off on abusing.

[–] Bonehead@kbin.social 39 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You realize that the gig economy is not my responsibility, right? I'm not criticizing the workers for being underpaid. I'm criticizing the exploiters for underpaying their workers. If you can't pay your workers enough, that is not my fault. You are not entitled to exploit anyone for your personal gain.

[–] ThunderWhiskers@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

If the pay isn't enough without the tip, then maybe they should consider getting a different job.

I'm not criticizing the workers for being underpaid.

Study: When questioned about continuing to work for poverty wages, gig workers across the nation respond with resounding "guess I just didn't think about it because I'm so goddamned stupid" ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ .

[–] Bonehead@kbin.social 3 points 10 months ago

The first statement was meant as in these delivery services don't deserve to keep their workers. They should instead look for a better job that will pay them properly. But that's what these delivery services do...prey on the vulnerable that are desperate which is why there should be laws protecting them.

[–] smotherlove@sh.itjust.works 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I agree with you completely but at the same time I have disdain for gig workers because they all seem to operate under an entirely different set of traffic laws and social conventions. At least where I live.

[–] Kase@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] smotherlove@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 months ago

I see them acting rudely to restaurant staff and grocery store staff often.

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[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 46 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (5 children)

Tips are no longer tips and companies have successfully forced us to pay their employees for them.

It's not the customer's fault. In addition to us paying their wages we have to trust some rando to do a good job with zero evidence they will.

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[–] wesker@lemmy.sdf.org 27 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

There's nothing to flip, gratuity and wages should be separate things. And minimum, standard living wages should be paid.

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[–] june@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

Drivers can’t see the tip, but they are given an estimated payout (of the number presented is different from the estimate, it’ll always pay higher than the estimate) for each order.

If this wasn’t the case, there wouldn’t be any drivers. Drivers are contractors and DoorDash bids orders out until someone accepts it. No contractor in their right mind will accept a job not knowing how much it’ll pay.

If tipping weren’t allowed until after delivery, most people wouldn’t tip. You have the option to raise or lower your tip already, but have you ever gone in there and changed your tip after you received your order? Most people don’t. In the 6 or so months I was delivering, I only had one tip adjusted.

[–] yamanii@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Do you get your tip back too if the driver steals your food? Here we have Rappi that also asks for tip before the delivery so I never gave it out.

[–] UziBobuzi@kbin.social 8 points 10 months ago

I did once because the driver completely ignored my delivery instructions and I called to cancel the tip. They refunded it immediately.

Our building has a problem with theft, which I noted in my instructions, and they left the order in the lobby despite my clear warning to the contrary.

[–] Mango@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago
[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 months ago

I've tipped a ton and gotten very cold food numerous times. I absolutely agree, and really hate this model.

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