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[–] Floon@lemmy.ml -5 points 11 months ago (3 children)

No, I'm saying that removed about EVs does what, exactly? The infrastructure change you're glib about happens how? You haven't even thought of that. You have a goal, but no map from here to there. You're still stuck at the fuck cars stage it seems.

Try to actually solve the problem instead of removed about incremental solutions that don't do enough for your taste.

[–] wopazoo@hexbear.net 17 points 11 months ago

do you not realize that the existing car infrastructure requires constant maintenance

[–] Xavienth@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Infrastructure change at the scale you're speaking about is not unheard of. The Netherlands did it twice. First because Europe got the shit bombed out of it and building car centric cities was trendy, then second because they realized what a shit idea that was and reversed it.

Sure, the Netherlands was never sparse in the first place, but nobody's asking for trains to farmer John's house in Nebraska. If the Netherlands can rework their cities to at least chillax on cars, so can American cities.

I know using the Netherlands as an example is trite, but urban planners literally know the solutions.

[–] Z27F@thelemmy.club 4 points 11 months ago

First because Europe got the shit bombed out of it

It has little to do with that, actually. There are very few cities that got heavily hit. What was removed and remodelled in the 60s and 70s was way more than the war had damaged and it happened after the major repairs were already done. Even cities and countries the war never really touched got extensive remodelling.

It was a completely deliberate decision to remodel those cities, driven by modernist ideas.

[–] axont@hexbear.net 9 points 11 months ago

We do have a map to our goal, it's called Marxism-Leninism.