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All EVs still require coal or oil for the electricity. And that doesn't even factor in mining for the metals to make these things.
EV are okay but they're not a solution to our resource consumption problem.
Edit: imagine being mad at the truth lol?
You seem to be forgetting that wind, solar, geothermal, hydroelectric, and nuclear power exist.
Not to mention that, even with coal generating the energy for the cars, EVs still have lower lifetime emissions than any ICE car.
But there is still the precious metal mining which often is diesel engines.
The point is regardless of what we use it is a bandaid to the issue. That issue being over mining our very limited resources
You’re right. Let’s do nothing instead.
It's not sustainable why are you mad at me for the reality of the situation. The capitalists are selling you on this being a cure all your anger should be with them
What do you suggest, then? Go back to horses and buggies? I've yet to see, in all of your whining, one fucking suggestion as to how we correct the issue. Society will collapse before we voluntarily throw ourselves back to the dark ages. Isn't a person on Earth living in a modern society, yourself included if you really think about it, that would agree to that.
Yo fuck off I brought up a point about EV shut up lol
Nobody here is saying it's a cure all. It's a step in the right direction. It's better than doing nothing and continuing on the course we've been on. Do you think an "all or nothing" approach has any chance of working?
And I'm not saying don't do it? Do you think it is all or nothing? I'm just bringing up the fact that EV isn't really that great
Diesel engines have nothing to do with what we were talking about.
And even if you want to call it a "band-aid", that's still better than letting the wound continue to bleed. It slows us down and gives us a chance to course correct, rather than barrelling ahead over the cliff at full speed.
The wound will still bleed our society is not sustainable.
the diesil trucks will also be replaced with sustainably powered ev machines too. think more than 12 months ahead.
lol okay in 12 months I'll google to see if we are still using diesel.
Spoiler: we will be
you are an absolute donkey mate.
I agree with you, but I urge you to spell it out a bit more. We still need to transport lots of goods across large distances, from distinct areas where an industry perhaps cannot be moved closer, eliminating the long distance transport.
More importantly, we do have options for recycling lithium from expended cells, not a zero-carbon process, but definitely better than continued mining.
Look, real talk: I think there very genuinely may be too many humans for this planet to naturally sustain. Even within society there are hints, in spite of the powers that be's attempts at obfuscation. Look how many bullshit jobs there are. Late stage capitalism is a lot more than a bogeyman from what I can see.
What are your thoughts?
Except that many places are majority renewables for electricity
That use plastics and rare metals and glass all of which aren't infinite resources.
Two decades from now we will still be struggling with a climate crisis and these "solutions" aren't solutions
Glass? That is in no way a rare resource. We have alternatives to plastic and alternative battery architectures are being developed from multiple quarters. It's true that these still have environmental impact but it's still a huge improvement over ICE vehicles.
Fully agree I only mention glass because it is viewed as an infinitely recyclable material but it really isn't. We live on a silicate rich planet but even then there is a limit and these are the conversations we need to normalize before we do this same thing to ourselves again with our mass consumption of all resources
What? I charge my EV using the solar panels on my roof. I sell what extra I don’t use myself to the electrical company. I mean sure, I bet the delivery truck ran on diesel and so on, but that’s not what you said.
For China specifically and at the present time this is true, but China is investing heavily into solar and other renewables that will shift its energy mix dramatically in the coming years. Not to mention that even now, it's still a net benefit to centralize that fossil fuel consumption into plants that can burn it more efficiently and with better pollution controls than are feasible on cars.