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41% of fediverse instances have blocked threads so far!!! (tech.lgbt)

submitted 11 months ago by vantablack@lemmy.blahaj.zone to c/technology@lemmy.world

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[–] takeda@lemmy.world 24 points 11 months ago (2 children)

It is not dumb. Thinking that this time it will be different is dumb:

https://ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-networks.html

When this was happening I was a huge proponent of Google, and Google Talk, recommending everyone I knew to switch to it, because Jabber with the help of Google will remove monopoly from AIM, MSN, YIM etc.

Google fucking killed the network and I contributed to it (maybe not in a significant way, but I still feel very bitter about it)

[–] Pxtl@lemmy.ca 4 points 11 months ago (3 children)

How many users did Jabber/XMPP have in 2004?

recommending everyone I knew to switch to it

I think we've isolated the problem. Everyone is aware of the risk this time. nobody is going to abandon their Fediverse accounts for Threads.

[–] takeda@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

GTalk was easy to install, no need to create an account (most already had Gmail), had incompatible features (like making a voice call), later was integrated into the Gmail web interface, so you could use it anywhere. So many Jabber users did switch to it.

Then somehow "broke" in a way that messages from GTalk were coming through, but anything coming from Jabber wasn't arriving. Since most Jabber users had Gmail account many switches to continue talking to their peers. Stubborn people, like me, were left with rooster full of people online that none responded to you.

At that time Google was seemed like a white knight, fixing things and making them better.

Facebook today is known for being extremely shitty and destroying any competition, and there are still so many naive people.

[–] calvinbacon@r.nf -3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

False. Google mail was invite only at this time.

[–] takeda@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

I said it was added to Gmail later.

Gmail went public on February 7, 2007, the last release of GTalk was May 14, 2013. Anyway by the time GMail went public, everyone and their dog had a Gmail invite.

[–] Alto@kbin.social 1 points 11 months ago

Can you share the secrets to somehow even being a 1/4 as optimistic as you are?

[–] calvinbacon@r.nf 0 points 11 months ago

More than invite only Google mail had in 2004

[–] swayevenly@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

It's a straw man argument. Nevermind the dumb comment, the "wait and see" argument is disingenuous and insulting.

[–] takeda@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.

-- George Santayana

[–] FaceDeer@kbin.social -3 points 11 months ago

A pithy quote proves nothing. You can come up with duelling aphorisms for almost any issue. For example:

Remembering everything is not the only solution. Perhaps, forgetfulness can make us live in peace too.

– Mwanandeke Kindembo

[–] treadful@lemmy.zip 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It's not a strawman. It's an actual man that existed and did the thing. It's history.

[–] swayevenly@lemm.ee 0 points 11 months ago

What?