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[–] fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works 9 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I still stand by that defederation as the only line of defense is a losing strategy. Keeping users siloed in Facebook's garden shouldn't be seen as a win for us.

[–] Olgratin_Magmatoe@startrek.website 68 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Keeping users siloed in Facebook’s garden shouldn’t be seen as a win for us.

Sometimes the only winning move is not to play. If people hadn't federated with google's XMPP back in the day, google wouldn't have had the same level of control it had to kill XMPP as a competitor.

We need to learn from the lessons of the past, and the past has resulted in the deaths of services when federating with corporations.

[–] sintrenton@lemmy.ml 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

"We should debate them... And defeat them on the Marketplace of Ideas." Yeah, right.

[–] Olgratin_Magmatoe@startrek.website 7 points 11 months ago

I never said defeating them or out competing them should be the goal. The goal should be the survival of services. And corporations will kill these services.

[–] fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works 5 points 11 months ago

I don't disagree with needing to not repeat past mistakes.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 21 points 11 months ago (1 children)

What is your definition of win? Market share? Are you thinking in capitalist terms?

Nobody is forcing those people to use Facebook, and they are welcome to come here whenever they like.

[–] fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The most free people. Best for society. Etc.

|They're welcome to come here whenever they like .

Only if they know it exists and can still connect with the people and communities they care about. This is what the federated approach was supposed to fix, the silos, the community capture.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

We know what Meta is, and we know our history, so we know Meta’s goal is to destroy the fediverse. Federating with Meta is not likely to yield your desired outcomes.