Despite being nominated for numerous awards and even winning Game of the Year in 2018, the creator of God of War, David Jaffe, is not a huge fan of the new direction the series has gone in. Jaffe himself hasn't worked on these new God of War games, but thinks that they're not staying true to the spirit of the character and the franchise. The creator noted that if developers want to pour their life experiences into their work, they should do it with new IPs and characters.

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[–] iyaerP@lemmy.world 101 points 9 months ago (8 children)

the Original God of War Kratos had all the depth of a puddle.

nuKratos is by far the superior character.

[–] gullible@kbin.social 21 points 9 months ago (1 children)

There were innumerable opportunities for kratos to develop character beyond raging angry guy of rancorous fury. Every betrayal and every reconciliation was so bland after a while. The originals were one long soap opera.

[–] hansl@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Meh. Not everything need to be deep. It’s a video games. Nobody is asking what the DOOM character backstory is. He’s there to shoot some hellspawns and that’s fun.

There’s a place for both, really.

[–] FooBarrington@lemmy.world 14 points 9 months ago (1 children)

My friend, you're missing out on the batshit insane lore of DOOM Eternal. The game itself is amazing, but the lore is even better!

[–] fsxylo@sh.itjust.works 13 points 9 months ago (2 children)

My favorite part of the lore is how doom guy doesn't give a shit about the lore.

Not every franchise needs to be deep, and doom eternal kind of suffers for being more story focused.

[–] FooBarrington@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago

Really? I enjoy the lore very much, but it seems more than easy enough to ignore - most is told through collectibles, so you can just breeze through everything without reading pretty much anything.

Not every franchise needs to be deep

I kind of disagree - I like it when a lot of thought has been put into things. I'd rather have it available and be able to ignore it than not have it available at all.

[–] iyaerP@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

To repeat myself from a response to another user:

You don't even need the deep lore hidden text and recordings for Doomguy. The show-not-tell storytelling is fucking amazing in Doom 2016.

Like they don't need any deep lore dumps or in depth explainations. The simple and casual disregard of Samuel Hayden for the lives of his employees and everyone else on Mars is in direct contrast to how deeply it's immediately obvious that Doomguy DOES care about those same dead scientists and colonists just from a few simple actions.

No long-winded explanation necessary. Those 10 seconds were a masterpiece of visual storytelling. It lets us know the stakes, it shows us that Doomguy cares about the lives lost far more than any ostensible greater good or Hayden's justifications.

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

There’s a place for both, really.

Sure, but when someone whines "Why did they give this character depth? They could have made them shallow and boring!" I'm not going to give that person much credit.

Also, DOOM guy does have some backstory for those that care to look for it in the games. Easily ignored for those that don't.

[–] iyaerP@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

You don't even need the deep lore hidden text and recordings for Doomguy. The show-not-tell storytelling is fucking amazing in Doom 2016.

No long-winded explanation necessary. Those 10 seconds were a masterpiece of visual storytelling.

[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yes it does, and if that's your best response, then clearly the writers were right to change the franchise around.

[–] hansl@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

No it doesn’t. And if you believe everything around should catered to your very needs you need to go and meet different people.

I don’t care about the back story of Super Meat Boy, or Tetris, or why Dr. Mario is the same guy as the plumber. I also enjoy RPGs with deeper stories and lore. There’s space for both.

I just want to play games, man.

[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Yes it does, and those are accusations you need to apply to yourself. Video games are an art form and aren't obligated to cater to the petty feelings of willfully ignorant troglodytes like yourself.

The rest of us do care about the backstories of the games we play. The fact that you don't is 100% a you problem.

You're certainly not going to intimidate us into submitting to you or subverting what makes us human so you can be a base animal. The rest of the world is moving on without you. If all you want is to turn off your brain, turn on some Fox News.

[–] BURN@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

100% my biggest issue with modern games right now is there’s too much damn lore. I need to know a hundred different things to understand the game, and I generally don’t know those things.

I’m a huge fan of Doom Eternal, and it’s one of the few single player games I’ve finished in the last few years. Too many games now end up needing to spend half my play session in conversations or cut scenes, and I realized I don’t have fun playing games like that.

[–] GONADS125@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

A buddy of mine got me to play Dark Tides and I had fun, but he kept telling me I needed to look into the lore of the Warhammer universe.

Looked into it and realized I don't have the time or interest to get into such a fictional universe that feels like it has more depth than most religions. I feel like there could be a degree track for Warhammer historians..

Not hating on people who are into it. But it's too overwhelming for someone like me who just wants to play games to clear my mind and distract myself. Also socialize.

[–] Zehzin@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

Honestly, I liked him better when he was just an angry sad revenge monster man. The way the games were structured made so that was never a crutch.

That said, David Jaffe needs to disappear already.

[–] madmax666@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

Troll alert

[–] doctorcrimson@lemmy.today 1 points 9 months ago

He wasn't deep but he was Metal AF.