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Mastodon founder touts Threads' federation, saying it makes his X rival 'a far more attractive option' (techcrunch.com)
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[–] AustralianSimon@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You can scrape Lemmy instances for training data without even running an instance.

[–] jeffhykin@lemm.ee 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Yeah, sorry if I'm not great at communicating. That's exactly what I'm trying to point out when I said:

Even if we don't federate with them, Meta can still harvest the data so we should add these protections regardless.

[–] AustralianSimon@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

That's the thing, anything public is fair game. This is why Reddit is ruining their API.

[–] jeffhykin@lemm.ee 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It's not fair game for for-profit bussinesses training LLM's. That's part of why Reddit made the move; so that companies would need to pay Reddit for access to the data for legally training models

[–] AustralianSimon@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

They changed the terms and made the API pay to use for large volumes of use. People using it to train models have already pillaged what they need and you can get the data prior to APIgeddon elsewhere.

[–] jeffhykin@lemm.ee 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Sure, but it's still true that there are legal protections we can add that make it not fair game for Lemmy. At best it would be unfair-game (illegal scraping of Lemmy)

[–] AustralianSimon@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

A rule for one Lemmy or even the Lemmy app doesn't mean same rule applies across ActivityPub Federation, if your data federated to my instance, it's mine too.

[–] jeffhykin@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

it can apply across all of them, for example that's how copy-left works

[–] AustralianSimon@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

In other words, fair game.

[–] jeffhykin@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

What? I'm saying every federated copy must legally must have the usage restrictions. Just cause it's copied doesn't mean it can go into a for-profit LLM.

[–] AustralianSimon@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

There is no licensing in the protocol so anything you put out there is free.

https://www.w3.org/TR/2018/REC-activitypub-20180123/

[–] jeffhykin@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

If we serve licensed content over ssh or HTTPS it's still licensed. Protocols don't change the legal requirements of the data. Warner Bros will still sue if one of their movies is hosted on a server using the activity pub protocol.