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We could go an have a piss-fight between the warcrimes of Russia and the warcrimes of Israel.
The US can be the bad guy in one conflict while be on the good side on another. Imperialism is bad, whether it's Russia or the US doing it.
Also, Hamas are war criminals as well. No good guys fighting there ATM.
The whole point of the article is Biden criticizing Israel for going too far in their mission to eradicate Hamas. He even criticized US for invading Afghanistan.
Bit of a tangent, but I find it insane that the US spent over 2000 billion to fight the war in Afghanistan, but congress is unwilling to authorise giving the Ukrainians 60 billion. A relatively small amount, that means Ukrainians can keep fighting Russia, decreasing the likelihood of American troops ever having to get involved in a war in Europe.
Ah, but from where I sit (a long way from the US), it looks more like a pissing contest between the Republicans to see who can be the most terrible human being in government, than it does look like any sort of actual policy or principal.
It's not about helping Ukraine, or avoiding the mistakes of Afghanistan - it's about trying to make Biden (and/or 'The Dems' in general) look bad, even if that involves civilian deaths.
Are they evil, Russian agents or just absolute clowns? It doesn't really matter, does it. The end result is the same.
I once did the sums to calculate that USA could have afforded a run a gun buyback scheme (like Australia) rather than invade Iraq, you know... to cut down on Americans killing Americans.
I did the sums, and the US would have been able to fund a large moonbase for the next century, mine asteroids AND seriously begin colonising Mars.
But instead of becoming an interplanetary power, the US chose to blow up brown farmers.
Kubrick's 2001, A Space Odyssey vs Dr Strangelove
And accomplished nothing for the people there, within 2 months it was as bad as it ever was before the US came.
But that 2000 billion went directly into the military industrial complex. Ka-ching.
Is the same true for that 60 billion?
He criticizes their war crimes with one hand but with the other hand he gives them billions of dollars to help them commit more.
IDF are the good guys, just like the Ukrainian army is. That doesn't mean that every single individual in either army are angels or that every operation is virtuous, just that their overall intentions are just.
An important question: What would the world look like if these guys won versus if they lost?
Narrator: ...they weren't.
Which is more important, ends or means?
Ends are more important.
I can prove to you it is not.
If my end is to have a million dollars, am I justified in killing whoever I want to get it?
If someone rapes your sister, are you justified in killing their whole family to get to them?
If someone kills your daughter, are you justified in burning down a city in revenge?
Oh, I didn't realize you asked "do ends always justify the means?". My mistake.
I'm positively surprised ur not downvoted to hell for saying that I must say
There are no downvotes on Beehaw.
ohhhh that makes total sense now thanks!
It's true, there are no downvotes on Beehaw. It doesn't accept them or federate them.
However, people from other instances see a downvote button and it registers downvotes - but only from people on their own instance.
@fosforus and @idiocracy are probably looking at those figures and mistaking it for over-all numbers.
Perhaps majority of the people who hate my comments about Israel vs Hamas have already blocked me
that was funny and I thank u for that :D
IMO the only "good guys" fighting there are the civilians "fighting" to survive. Not Hamas and not the IDF. Neither care about the innocent.