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[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 64 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Testing done on specific hardware and not a broad spectrum of machines is as relevant as asking one person their political opinion and saying that applies to their whole nation.

[–] RealFknNito@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Well sure but rephrased it's just "Three Linux distros that embarrass Windows 11 in gaming performance." which to me, is equally interesting.

[–] adrian783@lemmy.world 26 points 11 months ago (1 children)

article title: windows DEAD LAST!

also in the same article: "... When it comes to FPS, the overall leader in testing was Nobara Linux, with Arch Linux and Pop!_OS trailing by 1–5%. Windows 11, however, was only 6% behind Nobara Linux. So, **there isn't a massive performance delta here, **"

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

"on that one specific machine."

You're missing that part from your premise and it's the important one.

Notice how they didn't use one with an Nvidia GPU... Or even hardware released this year either...

Edit: Aaaw, I made you angwy and you downvoted me :(

[–] AProfessional@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The Nvidia drivers perform fine generally but it would be nice to verify it.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

It's funny because you say that and at the same time it's the first question asked when someone has a hard time gaming on their Linux setup, "Nvidia GPU?", even in this thread it's come up.

https://lemmy.world/comment/5993627

[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world -2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

The issue isn't performance, it's Nvidia's unstable drivers.

E: fuck me, are people stupid? Performance and stability are not the same thing.

Performance on Nvidia cards on Linux is fine. The issue is the bizarre issues you have like multi-monitor weirdness or adaptive refresh rate not working properly. Nvidia's drivers need kinks worked out but they aren't slower.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You realise that not having access to stable drivers is a performance issue because it means games don't run properly or at all?

"The issue isn't my bike, it's the bent wheels on it!"

[–] iegod@lemm.ee 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Irrelevant to someone that wants their game to run.

[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world -3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I didn't say otherwise. We were talking performance, not stability, that's why I said the word performance, then said Nvidia's drivers were unstable.

Understand? Performance means performance and stability means stability. I can appreciate that might be hard to grasp, but they're different words for a reason, and that reason is they mean different things.

I don't know why I bother talking to morons on Lemmy who deliberately misinterpret what people say and use that as a gotcha. You're not smart for using a straw man argument.

Nvidia needs to sort their shit out.

[–] inverted_deflector@startrek.website 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Nvidia isnt so bad if you're on a stable distro it supports and using x(though Ive heard wayland support is improving for it). On rolling or more cutting edge distros where the kernel is likely to change every few weeks and major DE versions might ship that proprietary driver will hurt.

That said while amd is generally better on linux for this reason it's worth mentioning that it has two huge flaws:

1.Its not perfect like the fans mention. As someone who owned a 3500u and 6650u apu life under amd isnt always sunny. 3500u had a kernel regression for about half a year that prevented the cpu from idling and rembrant apus have an issue where the whole system locks up which seems to come and go(feels like it's gone for now but Ive thought that before). Desktop gpus are better, but they still did suffer from driver bugs. I think my experience with my 5600xt was better than windows fans had for that generation, but it was not entirely stable and I did suffer from many kernel panics and system freezes. A few mesa and kernel releases fixed that, but it wasnt perfectly smooth. In addition to that no hdmi 2.1 support which is fine unless you game using your nice oled tv because no tvs come with display port. Proprietary drivers do allow for supporting some of the more obnoxious features that arent allowed.

  1. It can vary gpu/cpu to gpu/cpu for how fresh your software will need to be, but generally newer hardware needs very new kernels just for basic support and it may need a few more releases to get stable or good. So if you want to just sit back with ubutnu LTS or debian you need to make sure the release cycle lines up with support for your hardware. The other end of the spectrum is that being on a bleeding or cutting edge distro can mean stability issues and regressions. So for example a month or three ago fedora pushed a kernel update that had a regression where my 6800xt gpu wouldnt clock up when utilized so gaming framerates tanked and retroarch shaders were choking up. I could just use the old kernel but I had to make sure that the kernel updates didnt bump it away. Also an entire point release and several releases after that before the bug was fixed.

So while there is a lot of pro amd comments in the linux world and its worth acknowledging that the open source drivers are generally good it's not perfect and the grass isnt always greener.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 3 points 11 months ago

Just from that comment we can see how far from mainstream adoption Linux is for gaming... You really need to want to understand how things work to fix things that might not work natively. Not every gamer wants to be super knowledgeable about computers, most just want to play games. Heck, I'm very good with computers and I know that what little time I have to play games I don't want to spend trying to make them work...