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[–] CrimsonOnoscopy@beehaw.org 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Since their leader has no sway with the oligarchic class that effectively holds power in Russia, it seems unlikely he would be able to consolidate power. If somehow he offed Putin it would be more likely to end in civil war IMO than in Prigozhin as head of Russia.

[–] GuyDudeman@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You're absolutely right. It will lead to nothing other than civil war. Which is how Putin will spin it - he'll try to say that since Wagner are nazis, that they were actually working WITH the Ukrainian Nazis and NATO against Russia etc. blah blah blah

[–] Noodleneedles@beehaw.org 14 points 1 year ago

As much as I'd love these monsters to go to war with each other, it would mean civil war in the country with the most nuclear warheads, and that makes the prospect something I can't celebrate.

[–] DarthNinja@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

This seems so accurate

[–] Fearofthefamiliar@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Does the Russian upper class have access to sufficient military power to oppose the Wagner group?

[–] GuyDudeman@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Probably not. But Wagner group doesn't have the manpower to subjugate the entirety of Russia either.

[–] FauxPseudo@vlemmy.net 10 points 1 year ago

Russia doesn't have the manpower to subjugate the entirety of Russia either.

[–] CrimsonOnoscopy@beehaw.org 8 points 1 year ago

The Russian national guard is supposed to be fairly large, and you would think that the air force can operate inside the borders of Russia (for now).

Do I think they can march on Moscow? No. But I'm also not convinced that this can be outright stopped without compromising the war.