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    [–] crackajack@reddthat.com 35 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    You can be angry without being rude. I'd much prefer passive aggressiveness than egregious blame-shifting and accusations.

    [–] oce@jlai.lu 56 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    You don't need to be passive agressive either, you can just be polite and factual.

    [–] crackajack@reddthat.com 10 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Well put. My boss had been polite and factual when she gets "angry".

    [–] SchizoDenji@lemm.ee 8 points 11 months ago

    Exactly. I've worked under terrible managers and some great ones. Great ones get pissed off but they never, ever try and let emotions out. They were all to the point and knew what worked for every guy.

    [–] uis@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

    Is she impolite when she is not angry?

    [–] crackajack@reddthat.com 6 points 11 months ago

    No, not at all. I appreciate that of her. She doesn't even look scary when I'm being told off. Which is why I put the word angry in quotation marks. She tries to sound angry and look scary but we kind of brush it off. Not that I didn't respect her authority.

    [–] uis@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago

    But don't be too factual or you will be Linus

    [–] voidMainVoid@lemmy.world 25 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    I hate passive-aggressiveness, because I want to know what people really think of me. How can you feel secure if you know that somebody might secretly hate you and is just waiting for the right time to put a knife in your back?

    [–] SchizoDenji@lemm.ee 7 points 11 months ago

    Both are bad IMO. Sometimes when morale is low, you don't need constant berating to break your spirit.

    [–] onlinepersona@programming.dev 3 points 11 months ago

    Being polite doesn't mean being passive-aggressive. I can tell you that I completely disagree with your opinion without calling you "a brainless ape that should've fucking stayed in school because your dumb ass cannot comprehend the simplest matters".

    [–] outcide@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

    THIS SO MANY TIMES.

    [–] wildginger@lemmy.myserv.one 0 points 11 months ago

    If you cant tell the difference between passive aggression and politeness, you gotta talk to someone about learning. Big big big difference there.

    [–] laurelraven@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 11 months ago (1 children)

    Yeah, that's a hard pass on passive aggressiveness, constructive criticism isn't either of those things nor rude and angry ranting. Love Linus, but he really did need to chill out a bit more with these things. He could have gotten the same point across without coming across as yelling at the guy, just firmly pointing out that it was caused by the patch, the patch did things it shouldn't ever do, and don't break userspace or blame userspace programs

    [–] dumpsterlid@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

    Yeah this kind of attitude is never a productive strategy unless you want to surround yourself only with assholes. It also demonstrates a complete lack of ability to manage humans and keep your values straight when you become upset and stressed out, which is a massive red flag to hold up as someone running a project.

    In general it seems like a lot of people get into computers because they think it is a magic fantasy land where you don't have to practice people skills and interact with other humans.... when like every other industry after a certain seniority in a project it always, always, always comes down to managing humans and human interaction skills. The idea of the tech wizard programmer who can be an asshole because they are a genius at coding is just so tired at this point.

    [–] Lutra@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

    Yea, that Linux thing will never amount to much with this kind of strategy.

    But wait. ..

    [–] andrewta@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

    I won't down vote you for your opinion but I do disagree with you.