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[Facebook] Messenger is finally getting end-to-end encryption by default - The Verge
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this post was submitted on 07 Dec 2023
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Personally I'm about as willing to trust this as WhatsApp's end-to-end encryption, given Meta/Facebook's involvement, but thought it was worth keeping folks here apprised of the situation in the corporate space.
Has WhatsApp's encryption ever been shown to not be trustworthy?
Facebook has had to provide law enforcement with FB Messenger texts before after being served a warrant. Are you saying this has also happened with WhatsApp, even though that should be impossible? That's a pretty big claim, so I'd love to see your evidence.
It’s Facebook
It’s closed source
Zero trust from me, not touching any of that
So, no evidence. Gotcha.
For WhatsApp, given how much noise the UK law enforcement has been making about trying to ban encryption, I'm inclined to believe it actually is working. I'm sure Facebook does some metadata analysis and that does feed back into their advertising profiles, but that's a different thing from being able to turn over actual message content that's supposedly been encrypted over to law enforcement.
But hey, if you do find actual evidence, I'm all ears.
I’m not the person you responded to, so I made no claims that need any evidence.
I just love shitting on fucking rubbish Facebook and will do so online at any point possible.
Fuck yo evidence and fuck yo Facebook
Most people don't so openly state that they don't care about facts or evidence and form their beliefs primarily from vibes, so thanks for at least being upfront about it.
The evidence we have is the historic behaviour of Facefuck and Zuckerfuck.
Fuck anything connected to this asshole.
They could easily scan your messages via the app before encrypting.
Being closed source we have no way to examine this.
But yea, keep on trusting an org that has repeatedly demonstrated they're untrustworthy.
In case you were unaware, you come off as a literal child. Cheers.
To my knowledge, it hasn't, but that's not the main point of my comment so much as expressing my distrust of the parent company. In that respect, no, I'm not aiming to make a claim that Meta/Facebook have had to disclose messages from WhatsApp to law enforcement and essentially undermine its end-to-end-encryption.
Nevertheless, I think it's reasonable and fair to be suspicious of Meta/Facebook given its history of questionable actions concerning people's data. They're in the business of using people's data for marketing/advertising purposes, not safeguarding it, after all.