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Freed Israeli hostages erupted in anger during a tense meeting on Tuesday with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, saying that they were terrified they would be killed by Israeli airstrikes on Gaza instead of their Hamas captors.

"We were in tunnels, terrified that it would not be Hamas, but Israel, that would kill us, and then they would say Hamas killed you," the woman from the southern Israeli village of Nir Oz near the Gaza border said

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[–] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works -5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

Are you referring to the demand to release "all Palestinian prisoners" in exchange for the hostages? That would have been a ratio of Palestinian prisoners to Israeli hostages much less favorable to Israel than the ratio they actually got during the ceasefire.

[–] Zorque@kbin.social 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

But, based on your own justification, that would be fine, wouldn't it? At least they'd have the hostages back alive, right? That's justified because you get the people back alive, right?

Or can you only justify killing with the return of hostages?

[–] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works -2 points 11 months ago

My justification of what? The airstrikes? I'm not justifying them by by connecting them to the release of the hostages - I think they're justified as part of the war that's going on and their effect on hostage negotiations is secondary.

The best strategy for winning the war is not the same as the best strategy for getting the hostages back. Netanyahu appears to be prioritizing winning the war and for that he's getting a lot of criticism from people who would prioritize getting the hostages back. I'm just saying that this particular criticism, which focuses on the counterfactual scenario in which the hostages that have been released were killed by airstrikes instead, is not reasonable. After all, they weren't killed and they're free now; in their case, Israeli policy has been successful.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

They are not just demanding the Palestinian prisoners. They also demand the release of all Palestinian hostages kidnapped by israel.

The ratio during the ceasefire was for non-combatants. Zero soldiers have been exchanged so far.

Looking at past conflicts israeli soldiers have gone for a 3-1000 rate and Hamas currently has like 60 soldiers in captivity.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That would have been a ratio of Palestinian prisoners to Israeli hostages much less favorable to Israel than the ratio they actually got during the ceasefire.

I love how you're not questioning why Israel has political prisoners.

[–] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I didn't use the word "political" anywhere.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social -1 points 11 months ago

A large number of Palestinian prisoners is political prisoners held without trial.